Posted on 01/27/2007 1:36:11 PM PST by tpaine
Here's where you were unclear. I asked:
Do you have the right to carry a gun in a vehicle?
I have the right to carry a gun in my vehicle. I do not have the right to tresspass another's premises with my gun in my vehicle.
Clever non-answer. -- You are not trespassing - you are an employee with a right to carry a gun in your vehicle, -- as you admit.
-- The question remains, does your employers attempt to prohibit arms in vehicles meet with your approval?
You said you agreed with the GA bill. Given that, one can infer that you agree with my employer's right to prohibit uncontrolled guns on his property.
Daffy inference, as the GA bill agrees that an employee has a right to carry arms in his vehicle.
-- The question remains, does your employers attempt to prohibit arms in vehicles meet with your approval?
If the deed mentions a pre-existing easement, that means that even though you bought that property, you cannot use that portion of the property represented by the easement. That information is clearly stated on plats in town offices, on official surveys, and in deeds, when land is purchased.
I have the right to carry a gun in my vehicle. I do not have the right to tresspass another's premises with my gun in my vehicle.
Clever non-answer. -- You are not trespassing - you are an employee with a right to carry a gun in your vehicle, -- as you admit.
A condition of employment is that I obey the rules of my boss. He has the right to not allow me on the property if I don't obey his rules.
You said you agreed with the GA bill. Given that, one can infer that you agree with my employer's right to prohibit uncontrolled guns on his property.
Daffy inference, as the GA bill agrees that an employee has a right to carry arms in his vehicle.
Not a daffy inference. I read the bill, did you? My employer is not in GA but if we had that state law, he would be allowed to prohibit uncontrolled guns on his property. His policy is in strict agreement with the proposed GA law and in strict agreement with my position as stated to you prior to my reading the bill.
We agree on the easements and I did not mean to imply you did not understand them.
I would have issue with them telling you what you can or cannot build on your property if such restrictions did not exist prior to purchase.
Like I said... every person has to find their center and sadly there appear to be a few freepers who think any infringment by government on their property should be met with bullets. I am glad I am not the poor guy who has to read their meter!
--I am glad I am not the poor guy who has to read their meter!--
Fortunately, most of these guys live out their frustrated lives in a somewhat normal manner only acting out their frustrations by banging on their keyboard.
Thanks DC.. But we all know Luis thinks he's above the rules..
He's even convinced himself that employers can stop employees from carrying arms in their vehicles.
Property rights trump our RKBA's in his mind.
"Likely". We do not have enough information about the case. We do not know exactly what made this man snap and go berserk.
Maybe I've been paying attention for too long, but I simply do not trust government, and I really do not trust politicians. As a result, from a story like this one I must give the homeowner the benefit of the doubt and presume that he was being screwed by the government. It's an easy presumption. The guy snapped and tragedy ensued. But no matter what, I do not "condone" the man's actions.
On the other hand, from the story (and the title) it sounds like Watson issued a warning and that warning was clearly not taken seriously. Those workers should never have been put in harm's way like that. SOMEBODY had to know that Watson was not stable.
--He's even convinced himself that employers can stop employees from carrying arms in their vehicles.--
So does the GA bill that you support.
Clarification:
Lancey: But no matter what, I do not "condone" the man's actions.
Lancey has previously stated that the country needs more people like this man and that if we had more of these events perhaps government would straighten up.
I agree there is much more to the story that we don't know here and probably never will.
We certainly agree murder was not the right answer.
Still, some of the comments by a few anarchist on this thread are sad.
Clever non-answer. -- You are not trespassing - you are an employee with a right to carry a gun in your vehicle, -- as you admit.
A condition of employment is that I obey the rules of my boss. He has the right to not allow me on the property if I don't obey his rules.
You admit: "-- I have the right to carry a gun in my vehicle. --"
Does your boss have the right to stop you from carrying a gun in your vehicle"
You said you agreed with the GA bill. Given that, one can infer that you agree with my employer's right to prohibit uncontrolled guns on his property.
Daffy inference, as the GA bill agrees that an employee has a right to carry arms in his vehicle.
Not a daffy inference. I read the bill, did you?
Yes, and it intends to codify the right of GA employees to secure arms in their vehicles while at work.
My employer is not in GA but if we had that state law, he would be allowed to prohibit uncontrolled guns on his property.
Clever. now you claim the issue is about "uncontrolled guns" on his property; -- it's about guns secured in employees vehicles while parked.
His policy is in strict agreement with the proposed GA law and in strict agreement with my position as stated to you prior to my reading the bill.
It's becoming quite evident your position parallels that of Luis Gonzalez. -- Thanks for your candor.
I am convinced that I can control who parks on my property, you think that you have a Constitutional right to convenient parking on my property created by the gun in your car.
FLORIDA STATUTES: Trespass while in possession of a firearm is a felony punishable by imprisonment for up to five years and/or a fine up to $5,000.
--We certainly agree murder was not the right answer. Still, some of the comments by a few anarchist on this thread are sad.--
Such as some of Lancey's previous posts:
Lancey: Like I implied in an earlier post, this country needs a lot more Garry Watsons, though preferably with better target selection.
This is apparently the earlier post he was referring to.
Lancey: Sadly, citizen responses like Watson's need to happen more often, only it should be the scumbag politicians who are held accountable for their greed and tyranny, not their minions. Watson did what many, many people only wish they had the guts to do.
--Clever. now you claim the issue is about "uncontrolled guns" on his property; -- it's about guns secured in employees vehicles while parked.--
No. It refers to guns uncontrolled by the owner. I did NOT say unsecured.
Private property owners have the right to deny you access to their property for any reason, or for no reason.
If that property owner posts a "NO GUNS" sign at the edge of his property, and you enter his property with a gun, you are committing a felony.
FLORIDA: Trespass while in possession of a firearm is a felony punishable by imprisonment for up to five years and/or a fine up to $5,000.
--It's becoming quite evident your position parallels that of Luis Gonzalez. -- Thanks for your candor.--
I have no idea what Luis' position is. I gave you my position before I read the bill. It is in total agreement with the bill which you agree with. Either you can't read or you haven't read my posts or the bill.
-- I read the bill, did you?--
The WHOLE bill?
Let's start all over. Here is my original response to you BEFORE I read the bill.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1774791/posts?page=199#199
My position is totally consistent with the bill. You agree with the bill. What is your beef?
Red herring.
You can carry a bazooka in your car, but a property owner has a right to stop you at the edge of his property and deny you access.
Show me your constitutional right to park on my property.
Isn't it amazing what passes for "journalism" today?
CA....
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