He said, 'If you come on my land, I'll kill you'

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[Lancey Howard]

Picky picky. Anyone could have clicked the link and seen the publishing date. What's the big deal? -- When the incident happened has no bearing on the issues it raises.

Well, obviously, nobody cares much about this stuff.

/sarc

[durasell]

Yep. Americans by nature are suspicious of gubmint -- which is a good thing. But when it crosses a line, then it's a symptom of something else.

[DCPatriot]

The only real difference between this murderous kook who later killed himself and Mohammed Atta or Timothy McVeigh is that the latter two were more organized and efficient homicidal maniacs.

I completely but respectfully disagree.

For example, Barbara K. Olson on American 77 wasn't infringing on Mr. Atta's rights.

[UpAllNight]

--The Boy Scouts of America cannot exclude homosexuals from becoming Scout Troop leaders.--

Would you please call them and tell them. Thank you.

---

Applications for leadership and membership do not inquire into sexual orientation. However, an individual who declares himself to be a homosexual would not be permitted to join Scouting. All members in Scouting must affirm the values of the Scout Oath and Law, and all leaders must be able to model those values for youth.

[Luis Gonzalez]

tpaine has no respect for private property, or the rights of a property owner to control access to his property.

Yet, he demands that his rights be upheld.

On another thread, he posted a fictitious exercise where he was a contractor who came on to someone's property to bid on a job while carrying a gun in his truck; there were visible "No Guns, No Hunting" signs at the property's edge.

Here, in his own words, is what he thinks about your right as a property owner to set rules of access to your own property:

let's say the lady of the house noticed a shotgun in my trucks rack and told me to not bring a gun on her property from then on. I suspect I would smile, say yes mam, make a mental note that this woman was weird, -- and continue to carry my shotgun

[Trailerpark Badass]

We're talking about streetlights that were installed, at taxpayer expense by the municipality, and whose operations are paid for by the homeowners via a seperate electric utility bill. Above, and beyond, municipal property taxes and municipal income taxes.

Oh, I know all about that. 4/5 of my property tax bill goes to pay for the god-awful public schools that I wouldn't send my kids to on a bet.

If you think your taxes should pay for streetlights, bring it up to local commisioner. But then again, should someone across town pay for your streetlight? Hmmm...

[Luis Gonzalez]

I admire the Scouts for standing their ground, but municipality after municipality is cutting their access to public places.

[DCPatriot]

You know you should ping the person you're talking about.

That's thirty lashes around here.

[Boiling point]

Perhaps a freeper more knowledgeable than me on matters of property law can shed some light on this. I own a small farm and always worry about this sort of thing. I believe, that at the time the Constitution was written, If you bought property, you were the supreme authority over it. The constitution, via the 10th amendment, grants powers not specifically granted to congress, to the states and the people. Now, if I am supreme authority over my property, would they not have to have my signed power of attorney or something to even pass restrictions and such on my property. Which to me means, they have no more power to pass such restrictions than I have to pass a law stating that anyone driving passed my property must pay a toll. What am I missing here?

[Luis Gonzalez]

Not when it's t.

Trust me, he talks about you and directs the post to "Y'all"

I've been around here for quite sometime.

[volunbeer]

"""I don't think there is a valid comparison with McVeigh. Watson was in his own home and on his own property - - quite a different situation."""

It's the same sentiment Lancey and it's a slippery slope when outright hatred of government seems to condone behavior like McVeigh or this guy.

Most people in government are just citizens doing a job. I don't understand the logic of your comments on this thread. Do you revile government to the point where the welfare of a child is not as important as the right of an abusers privacy? Should someone run over a road crew making repairs since they are causing undue delay? Should the police not enter an apartment when they hear a woman being assaulted by a man?

Are these silly questions or simple leaps of logic from your sentiments?

Like others have stated there was likely a pre-existing easement on the property for a public sewer system. They were not tearing this mans house down by any indication so I find his actions illogical and inexcusable.

I would likely agree with much of your thoughts about freedoms from government tyranny but I could never associate with the sentiments you and others expressed on this thread. There are avenues to address issues like this short of murdering people.

[Thumper1960]

Thankfully, *I* don't have a streetlamp. It'd be pretty much useless out here.

As for public schools..............don't go there.

[rahbert]

Do you really think that?

If we can't afford counsel, we can just shoot the objects of my frustration?

Sorry, it doesn't work that way. Not even in Texas.

[philetus]

An honorable man would have fired warning shots, ran them off his land, and then tried to justify his action."

He gave them a warning. He told them "'If you come on my land, I'll kill you,'.

If he had fired a warning shot, I imagine he might have gotten incoming.

I believe he killed himself because he knew his life was over and he didn't want his wife bled dry by lawyers.

[philetus]

There's a good chance the jury would either nullify his actions "

Not for two "cold blooded murders"

[UpAllNight]

--I believe he killed himself because he knew his life was over and he didn't want his wife bled dry by lawyers.--

I am surprised that no one has posted that they thought it was really the cops that killed him and they covered it up.

[volunbeer]

I am no expert on property law however....

If there was a pre-existing easement for the sewer system on the property it seems logical at some point the local utility or municipality would need to enter the property and possibly dig to make repairs to it. I think the homeowner should have a reasonable expectation that those doing the work would take care to minimize any damage to his/her property.

The absolute authority idea as expressed by some on here does not take into account the rights and welfare of others.

Does private property give one the right to poach animals or have a meth lab? What if I want to abuse my kids on my property? What if I have 1000 cats on my property? These may seem like extreme examples but if I am doing all of those things on my own property does my authority outweigh the common good?

If I own both sides of the river and all the land around for miles does that give me a right to block the river and make a lake on my property? What about the rights of others downstream?

These arguments were rampant in the old west and they have only become more muddled today in a nation of 300 million people.

I am not a fan of the recent Supreme Court decision but there are issues of imminent domain where I could side with government (interstate connectors would be one example) or widening a road as long as fair compensation was given. I don't agree with tearing down someones property or reclassifying it for a shopping center.

I guess each person has to find their center on the issue.

[philetus]

I am surprised that no one has posted that they thought it was really the cops that killed him and they covered it up."

Possible, but doubtful. If a cop killed him, it would be "justified" and glory and citations would be in the works.

[Boiling point]

I understand easements, as there are some on my farm including a large gasoline and diesel pipeline. I also have had to sell road frontage for the widening of the road and increase of utility easement. What I don't understand is how they can forbid the cutting of trees, filling of sink holes, building of certain types of building or fences if they never had authority to pass such restrictions.

[SuziQ]

In my opinion, the whole reason we have the Second Amendment is that sometimes the King's Men need killing, and the people need to have the ability to do so.

He owned the property, all the while knowing that there was an easement. When the town decided to put a sewer line within easement, they notified him, as required by law. Those men had every right to be there, doing the work for the city, and since they were exercising the town's right to a sewer line on that easement, he had no right to shoot them.