He said, 'If you come on my land, I'll kill you'

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[An Old Man]

Thanks for waiting, You wrote: "Good men act before the government crosses the line by working to correct through petitions and voting. Your point about 'tribunal' is enlightening. I think our founding fathers meant that we should reflect on our actions as a group rather than as an individual acting from emotion.

I tend to agree that it would be best if we formed a large group before storming down to city hall to set the deviants on course.

The question is: How large should the group be?

I keep reading posts here about how badly the government is treating my fellow citizens. The subject of owning firearms comes up quite frequently. People are always posting about what they would do if the government infringed on their rights. Would you agree that the government was just a tad bit aggressive in how they handled the sewer problem?

The tribunal I was alluding to in my post is the Supreme Court of the United States. However, they seem to be part of the problem rather than the solution.

We have another chance to get this boat floating trim and neat in the coming election. Do you have any plans on how you can personally make a difference?

I would like to hear them.

Semper Fi
An Old Man

[UpAllNight]

Me: You say you wish there were more like the subject guy.

You: You're a liar.

I apologize. You didn't say you wished, you said this country needs.

---

Like I implied in an earlier post, this country needs a lot more Garry Watsons, though preferably with better target selection.


181 posted on 01/27/2007 6:14:45 PM PST by Lancey Howard

[Thumper1960]

...just pulling out the ol' SKS and going down to city hall and whacking them?

That's plain silly, and you know it.

I'd much prefer the old fashioned pitchforks and shovels brigade hauling them out of their chambers whereupon the auxiliary corps would tar and feather them, whilst the rail jockeys stand ready to haul their fascist carcasses down to the train yard.

[tpaine]

You ever read "Unintended Consequences" by John Ross?
Good example of 'my line'. -- A clear effort by our governments to deprive us of any of our fundamental individual rights would involve me in an insurrection or revolution.

Thank you very much for that very frank answer.
You might want to think about your last answer. Did you really mean to include my rights?

I think a lot about what I write. I wrote "us", and I meant ~us~..

Again in an effort to satisfy my curiosity, is this thing about rights just for you to decide. Will you leave me on my own to stand up to tyrants, or is it to be a community affair?

I'm an individualist, and don't much like "community affairs", and 'majority rule'.

Who decides just when the shooting starts?

For me, -- I do.

[Richard-SIA]

Looked clear to me that they intended to take MORE land for an additional "easement" and sewer line.

No mention of any offer of compensation, plan review, or time given to pursue any civil remedy.

How big was his lot, how much of his land was being taken?

Were they running the new line across his rose garden, or along the property perimeter?

When I do finally buy land of my own, I intend to only buy in an area that is loosing population!

[Lancey Howard]

The point of my rhetoric is that a few scattered incidents like this one might make scumbag politicians a little more nervous about swatting aside individuals like gnats and seizing their property against their will and without just compensation.

Also, I join many others on this thread who would like a lot more details about this story.

[Freedom4US]

"Using this definition, I suppose you think I have the right to launch a rocket at a plane if it is to fly over my property without my permission?

You're both wrong, because I've declared the air-space above my home a "no fly" zone, subject to exorbitant fines and loss of favored county status.

[UpAllNight]

--I keep reading posts here about how badly the government is treating my fellow citizens.--

These guys have never been to a country where the government really treats their citizens badly. As my wife says, everyone should live in one for a few years and they will come blessing hour great our country is.

--The subject of owning firearms comes up quite frequently. People are always posting about what they would do if the government infringed on their rights.--

Too easy to punch a few keys under a screen name.

--Would you agree that the government was just a tad bit aggressive in how they handled the sewer problem?--

Sometimes the government gets too aggressive and they may have in this case. I just don't have enough information. This guy has had a long term problem with the city that goes back years.

--The tribunal I was alluding to in my post is the Supreme Court of the United States. However, they seem to be part of the problem rather than the solution.--

I missed that. I was reading that the 'tribunal' would be the group of citizens.

--We have another chance to get this boat floating trim and neat in the coming election. Do you have any plans on how you can personally make a difference?--

My goal for each year is to get at least one front page headline retracted by our local newspaper.

[UpAllNight]

--When I do finally buy land of my own, I intend to only buy in an area that is loosing population!--

Mostly people are leaving those areas that have oppressive governments and high costs of living.

[An Old Man]

Will you leave me on my own to stand up to tyrants, or is it to be a community affair?

I'm an individualist, and don't much like "community affairs", and 'majority rule'.

Who decides just when the shooting starts?

For me, -- I do.

Thanks

[UpAllNight]

--I'm an individualist, and don't much like "community affairs", and 'majority rule'.--

Then don't live in or near a community.

[tpaine]

If I get caught with a gun in my car in our parking lot and I not only lose my job, but I lose my access to any future jobs as soon as they ask why I left my previous job.

Sad comment on 'where we are' on carrying arms in a vehicle.
I take it you would approve of the GA. law proposed?

As of now, they don't do random vehicle searches of cars coming onto company property. But if you forget and leave one in your briefcase as you go through the metal detector ....
I think that if the parking lot is open to the general public, then the employer has a harder case to make.
OTOH, he is your boss! If you don't like his policies, work to convince him otherwise or go find another job.

So you approve of his 'right' to prohibit arms in vehicles?

Which is it? Do you have a right to carry in your vehicle, or not?

[An Old Man]

"My goal for each year is to get at least one front page headline retracted by our local newspaper."

That is an admirable goal. I hope you succeed

Semper Fi

An Old Man

[UpAllNight]

--I take it you would approve of the GA. law proposed?--

Which law?

[Thumper1960]

--That depends on your definition of 'innocent'.--

I think some civil servant making $18,000 a year working on sewer lines would be classified in this case as 'innocent'

What the "civil servant" earns is irrelevant. Additionally, in the context of political awareness, the so-called "civil servant" would not be "innocent" if he had been directed to enter private property under false pretenses, or without due process being afforded the owner of the private property. Perhaps, the "civil servant" just followed orders and, seeing as how the guv'mint is backing him, went about his business without thinking of the rights of the property owner. As in, 'screw you, Mr. Jones. I can do what I want, 'cuz the law's with me'. It gives the 'underpaid' "civil servant" peon some personal satisfaction that he can do something someone else prefers he not do.

Innocence is relative. The "civil servants" must have had some idea that there was the potential for violence, or an altercation. It is very rare and unnatural for any utility worker to be escorted to any jobsite under police protection. Blissful ignorance does not equate innocence.

[UpAllNight]

--Which is it? Do you have a right to carry in your vehicle, or not?--

I have the right to carry a gun in my vehicle. I do not have the right to tresspass another's premises with my gun in my vehicle.

[Thumper1960]

These guys have never been to a country where the government really treats their citizens badly. As my wife says, everyone should live in one for a few years and they will come blessing hour great our country is.

Don't be so sure of that.

Some people have had moments to live before escaping.

[Fester Chugabrew]

He owned it - not the state.

Almost. How can anyone truly "own" property when it is perpetually taxed under threat of government takeover?

[UpAllNight]

--What the "civil servant" earns is irrelevant. --

It is relevant. It goes to the background and knowledge level of the person.

[UpAllNight]

--Almost. How can anyone truly "own" property when it is perpetually taxed under threat of government takeover?--

With the agreement of the property owner. I know of some communities that have managed to eliminate property taxes.