[Pharmboy]

I don't think admixture from about 250 years ago would be so unusual; this is, nonetheless, very interesting.

[Pharmboy]

Pinging those who may be interested...

[Right Wing Assault]

National Geographic - Genographic Project

https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/index.html

Check the various links across the top.

For $100 they will do a genetic analysis of your tissue (mouth swab) and trace your 'genetic journey'.

https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/journey.html

Also, 'atlas of the human journey'.

https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/atlas.html

Click on various dates and see migration.

[Vigilanteman]

Since several branches of my family tree go back to England, does this also mean I can now claim African heritage too?

[redgolum]

Very interesting.

Makes sense though. During the Roman period, there were a lot of African Roman citizens. Would make sense that some would have ended up in England.

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks PB! Definitely going to ping the GGG list after I get home, not least because of this:

...or even whether the hgA1 Y chromosome goes back as far as the Roman occupation.

Europe has the most numerous documented invasions of any area in the world. :') Not from West Africa, but still...

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks Pharmboy.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list. Thanks.

Please FREEPMAIL me if you want on or off the
"Gods, Graves, Glyphs" PING list or GGG weekly digest
-- Archaeology/Anthropology/Ancient Cultures/Artifacts/Antiquities, etc.
Gods, Graves, Glyphs (alpha order)

[DieHard the Hunter]

> found that one third of men with a rare Yorkshire surname carry a rare Y chromosome type previously found only amongst people of West African origin.

So now I'm curious: what is that rare Yorkshire surname?

[SoCal Pubbie]

Here a picture of a statue in a European cathedral of an African knight who fought on the side of Christian armies. Here's a bit of history:

"Maurice came from Christian Egypt and joined the Roman army. At the head of Theban Legion he fought in the Alps. He refused to pray and sacrifice to Roman gods and together with his companions was massacred on the order of Emperor Maximian. The site of the massacre (now St. Maurice en Valais in Switzerland) became a holy place of pilgrimage at early date. From there the cult spread all over the Alps, then came to Germany and Italy. Like St. George, St. Maurice is patron of knights and soldiers. From the 12th century, due to linguistic similarity between his name and maurus, he was depicted as a Moor. Thus he became the black saint. Both patrons of soldiers, St. George and St. Maurice, are depicted armed, but St. George is white and on horseback, St. Maurice is often black and almost always a foot soldier. "



I believe there was much more contact between areas of the old world than is generally thought of today

[CobaltBlue]

I don't think the article makes it clear, but the genotype Oppenheimer is talking about is R1b, especially R1b1, aka "generic white guy."

My husband is R1b1, Y-chromosome ancestors probably English, and my dad is R1b1, y-chromosome ancestors probably French.

These guys originate from a group of people who sat out the last glacial maximum on the coast of Spain and Portugal, where it makes a corner. The National Geographic had a story about this area last year, and people are inclined to say it's "Celtic" but I think it predates the Celtic culture by thousands of years.

The first known Celtic cultures showed up about 3000 years ago, the La Tene culture.

Although Britain was inhabited by Homo sapiens hundreds of thousands of years ago, they appear to have been wiped out by the last glacial maxium, and when the glaciers receded, they came back.

They spread out from coastal Spain to Britain, France, etc.

[SunkenCiv]

• Yorkshire clan linked to Africa