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To: nopardons

When people get something for nothing, or very little, they tend to misuse and abuse it. That IS what has happened to not only health insurance, but to all medical care in general.

First, healthcare is not just another commodity to be bartered with, because you, I, and everyone else can die without it. It's not like buying or selling a bag of cookies, or signing up for the services of a masseuse. It is not a barter item. It is your life, in case you didn't know that. So, you would prefer it as it was before where everyone had to sink or swim to get healthcare, rich, poor, or otherwise. Healthcare as part of employee benefits has been around for many years now, and is paid for as part of the benefit/salary package that was offered to you or I when we were hired. We could accept or reject that package at that time. Once hired, it becomes part of what you are being paid, how you are being compensated for the work you do. It is factored in to the total costs of your salary for which you earn by working hard for your employer to earn that salary and the benefit package. You are not getting a benefit for little or nothing. You are working for it your whole life. If you don't like the benefits YOU accrue by being a self-employed entrepreneur, then go get a job at a company. It's your choice to be self-employed and accept the benefits and negative aspects of doing so, just as it is the choice of others to work for small or big companies, and accept their salary offer and benefit package as stated to them. You've got a real chip on your shoulder that someone else might be getting something you aren't, but that's because you chose your own career. Live with it. You probably make more than a lot of people do who work for companies, and can afford to pay for your own health insurance. Just don't foist your choices off on others who made different choices than yours. Don't blame them or agree that their benefits should be ripped off to facilitate other people getting health care plans who may not have worked as hard to be able to afford a good health insurance plan. It's income redistribution no matter how you try to paint it otherwise.


2,572 posted on 01/23/2007 9:08:20 PM PST by flaglady47 (thinking out loud)
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To: flaglady47

You aren't even making any sense anymore. Credibility is shot to h*ll after this evening.

Enjoy being miserable and bitter. It seems to suit you.


2,590 posted on 01/23/2007 9:15:27 PM PST by Shortstop7
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To: flaglady47
You are the one with the MASSIVE chip on your shoulder; not I. And you have been called on the carpet, for just that, by many others on this thread. YOU live with THAT!

You're old enough to remember when most companies did NOT give any health care benefits. Nobody was "dying" back then; they bought their own health insurance and the poor have always been treated for free.

Since when has braces and very expensive eyeglass frames been considered to be necessities?

And yes, the president DID also mention health accounts!

WHY are you making this about me? WHY are you trying to count my money? I was talking in general, but nooooooooooooo, that wasn't something you wanted to even consider! LOL

So, just How MUCH or LITTLE did YOU make, before you retired? How MUCH or how LITTLE, are you getting now? And just HOW MUCH health insurance are you getting for nothing or very little........that you don't want to give up? :^)

No, I don't expect you to answer that lasts bit; it was just a retaliatory poke in the eye, to an old fashioned, often stereotyped kind of person, who appeared in lots of 1930s movies. :-)

Oh yes, and for crying out loud.......learn how to make paragraphs! Your post was just about unreadable; not that it was worth the bother to read. LOL

2,623 posted on 01/23/2007 9:34:45 PM PST by nopardons
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To: flaglady47

Well, we need to eat as well, but government doesn't offer tax deductions for the cost of my big mac.

Anyway, almost ANYBODY could be kept alive for years longer than they will otherwise live. All it would take is to spend about a million dollars on end-of-life care. Hire special counselors, a live-in nurse, give them all the latest drugs, and people can live longer.

Fact is, we all die sometime, and for many your time of death will be based on how much money you make. Hey, it might not be "fair", but there isn't a fair system, and at least this system has rules that are understood.

Government's job is NOT to make sure I get appropriate health care, even if it means I will die. Government has a limited number of assigned tasks, and should focus on those tasks.


2,641 posted on 01/23/2007 9:48:56 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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