[RobRoy]

Man. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Anybody remember the "death of the democratic party" stuff a few years ago? ;)

[LS]

But, Rob, historically speaking, things can turn on a dime, and on a single election. Take sports: Chicago was dead and buried vs. AZ earlier this year on MNF, then suddenly, after a turnover, they come back to win the game. Many NFL people said that game re-invigorated their season.

I do believe that the Dems were on death's door just a few years ago, esp. just after the 2004 election. Had the Republicans begun serious cost-cutting, serious budget-balancing, serious BORDER CONTROL, and had the President completely taken the gloves off---not only in Iraq but vs. the Dems---we don't lose the 2006 elections and the Dems are on the ash heap of history. But while it was only a two-year period, it was one filled with goofs, missteps, stupid votes and policies, and above all too much "new tone."

The good news? Just as things turn ONE WAY on a dime, they can be reversed just as quickly with a spine and a leader.

[JSteff]

"Anybody remember the "death of the democratic party" stuff a few years ago?"

The notable difference has been that since Newts revolution the Dem's hung together and NEVER lost site of who they are. No matter how we disagree with their core beliefs their base stayed with them and energized their efforts these last 13 years.

The Republicans took a big hit and half of the elected officials are ready to throw in the towel. Their voters see this and so they lose some of their energy. Maybe this will be the best thing for now.

Some of the weak kneed will fall out. Way to many RINO's in there now. It does not help that much of what the President says seems to be bending with the wind also.