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To: RosieCotton
I guess I just keep waitin' on my miracle and trying to do my best, but these threads sure can get a decent gal down...

You can just be who you are. I suspect that I'm one who's viewed as a woman basher, but I don't think I am.

I believe that the legal system and societal attitudes are really stacked against men. Feminists have sought to change the balance of power in relationships between men and women, if you will, and they have been spectacularly successful. They've also lied to women. I believe they seek a fundamental reordering of society, and they're achieving it.

The deadbeat dad...the abusive male...they're cliches, but powerful ones. I've seen a statistic that 70% of divorce is initiated by wives, and I believe it. During my own divorce I had three other friends who were also getting divorced. Each of them were accused of not only being abusive, but of molesting their children. I wasn't, but my ex-wife made it clear that she would "do what she had to do." (her words, not mine.)

Those accusations get husbands and fathers 1) thrown out of the house 2) removed from any presence with their children 3) investigated.

Does physical and child abuse happen? Sure. The accusations fundamentally change the playing field, the relationship between parents, and between non-custodial parents and their children. No due process is necessary; the statement about concern will get the restraining order issued, and a mere accusation of child abuse will get a father removed from their children's presence. Many parent-child relationships, unfortunately, never survive that.

Does this make women evil? Of course not; they're human. We as a society tend to forgive their emotional acting out, especially mothers. It doesn't make them bad, it makes them human; give them a club to use, and you've got a good chance they will use it. It's just human nature. I don't blame women, I blame laws and courts and politicians. Men effectively have one option...whether to subject themselves to it, or not. That's the world you, an undoubtedly good hearted person, seek a mate in.

It won't change unless you speak up. Men have been marginalized in the debate.

239 posted on 01/23/2007 12:38:50 PM PST by gogeo (Irony is not one of Islam's core competencies (thx Pharmboy))
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To: gogeo
I don't blame women, I blame laws and courts and politicians.

It is pretty understandable since they are mostly indoctrinated that they don't really need men and kids don't HAVE to have a father, etc.
247 posted on 01/23/2007 12:51:58 PM PST by TalonDJ
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To: gogeo

I believe that the legal system and societal attitudes are really stacked against men. Feminists have sought to change the balance of power in relationships between men and women, if you will, and they have been spectacularly successful. They've also lied to women. I believe they seek a fundamental reordering of society, and they're achieving it.

But even on FR, if you suggest restoring society, all kinds come out of the woodwork.


263 posted on 01/23/2007 1:44:06 PM PST by freedomfiter2 ("if America ever ceases to be good, America will cease to be great"; de Tocqueville)
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