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Of Borat, America, anti-Semitism, Israel, ADL, and Kazakhstan
Israel News Agency ^ | January 16, 2007 | Joel Leyden

Posted on 01/16/2007 10:13:24 AM PST by IsraelBeach

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To: DManA
For an encore I'd suggest Mr Cohen make a movie about low income people with southern accents who believe Jews are God's chosen people and think we should support Israel no matter what because of it.

For Mr. Cohen, if such people exist, they are necessarily antiSemitic because they think that the Jews and anyone else who survives the Tribulation will become Christian. That is very threatening to such a person as Cohen.

41 posted on 01/16/2007 12:13:38 PM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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To: ShandaLear

Jak sie masz? Dzienkuje.
Mushroom stamp of approval for this movie.
I rate it 3 and half gypsies.


42 posted on 01/16/2007 12:13:51 PM PST by chicagopolish (Polka is not from Poland!! We had nothing to do with it. It was the Czechs!!!)
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To: Sherman Logan

Please do not think that.

He's about as representative of Jews as Jimmy Carter is of Baptists or Jon Carey of Roman Catholics.


43 posted on 01/16/2007 12:15:07 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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To: brwnsuga

And just how is this bigotry? Who in the world values the life of an unknown Hungarian the same as that of, say his sister?


44 posted on 01/16/2007 12:15:39 PM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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To: IsraelBeach

His reference to Free Republic is pretty dishonest. FR is a hotbed of pro-Israel sentiment. He chose to mostly ignore that, or give it short shrift.

Cohen's humor is always at someone else's expense. He finds someone who is too dim to realize he's being made fun of, or too nice to tell Cohen to take a hike, and he makes fun of them. I've seen several of his routines, in which the other person is trying mightily to be nice despite Cohen's boorishness.

Cohen, and Leyden, seem to think Cohen is exposing our prejudices. I see him projecting his prejudices onto others. It doesn't take a lot of courage to make fun of people who are trying to make you welcome.


45 posted on 01/16/2007 12:16:05 PM PST by marron
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To: ShandaLear

Cohen is like Walter Matthau or Tim Conway in a lot of ways. He does not even have to open his mouth to make you scream in laughter. The look on his face is more than enough.


46 posted on 01/16/2007 12:18:50 PM PST by stm (Believe 1% of what you hear in the drive-by media and take half of that with a grain of salt)
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To: IsraelBeach
Recently this writer posted a story on one of America's finest and most respected Conservative Internet forums - FreeRepublic. Thousands of fine minds, caring Christian and Jewish souls who support democracy, free speech and Israel debate there on a daily basis. But one remark which was recently posted openly to me stands out in my mind: "I value the lives of American servicemen much more than innocent Israelis who die from terrorism."

What is wrong about caring about your countrymen more than foreigners?
47 posted on 01/16/2007 12:22:26 PM PST by rmlew (Having slit their throats may the conservatives who voted for Casey choke slowly on their blood.)
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To: IsraelBeach

I saw the movie. I laughed and was also repulsed at certain points.

There's nothing new under the sun and this movie was far from genius.

It's just the latest take on poop jokes, making fun of ethnicities and cultures and pushing the envelope.

I don't think it's substantial enough to even review.
It's like having an intellectual discussion about "Jackass".


48 posted on 01/16/2007 12:25:18 PM PST by Lijahsbubbe
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To: rmlew

He's probably more representative of Hollywood's attitude toward heartland Americans.


49 posted on 01/16/2007 12:25:42 PM PST by DManA
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To: stm

I'm sure you're right, but it would probably be wise for Sasha not to accept the invitation to visit Kazakhstan.


50 posted on 01/16/2007 12:32:12 PM PST by Savage Beast ("Just when the caterpillar thought the world was over, it became a butterfly.")
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To: rmlew
"What is wrong about caring about your countrymen more than foreigners?"

Israeli blood and values in the global war against Islamic terrorism is no different than American blood! To state that another person's life is worth more, as we fight side by side - is racist and highly counterproductive as an effective fighting unit. The enemy would love to play divide and conquer. Don't let it happen.

51 posted on 01/16/2007 12:36:21 PM PST by IsraelBeach
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To: SJackson

The thread the author (Israli Beach, I presume) references is here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1763651/posts?page=79

The author left out the rebuttal by the poster, which is basically, "I am American first" --- perhaps an outdated isolationist idea, but hardly racist.


52 posted on 01/16/2007 12:38:08 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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To: IsraelBeach

It's not racist, it's isolationist at worst.

There is a distiction.

That said, I agree that such isolationism is stupid and the entire spat an unproductive argument.


53 posted on 01/16/2007 12:40:55 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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To: MeanWestTexan
Thanks, I saw it the first time around. As long as it's brought to this thread, there was no context to the comment, American soldiers aren't dying to protect American citizens. Other than both the right and left wing fringes, Americans don't think we attacked Iraq for Israel, any more than we invaded Kuwait for Israel. And our issues with Iran aren't about Israel. In that context "I value the lives of American servicemen much more than innocent Israelis who die from terrorism." is nothing more than an attack on the poster. Understated, I admit, but accusing posters of being un-American is far from unheard of here. I'm accused of being un-American, anti-Christian, un-patriotic, a Communist and a terrorist supporter, Jewish terrorists and jihadists, on a monthly basis. It goes with the territory.
54 posted on 01/16/2007 12:49:00 PM PST by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do!)
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To: Savage Beast
I heard a Public Radio piece on that. At first the Kazakhstanis who know about it were appalled. But after they realized it had nothing to do with them they thought it was pretty funny.

but it would probably be wise for Sasha not to accept the invitation to visit Kazakhstan.

55 posted on 01/16/2007 12:50:11 PM PST by DManA
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To: IsraelBeach

Joel:

I've read the original thread. In that thread you posted:

"No more Israeli civilian blood spilled for US security interests in Iraq."

And got the response you dislike.

Well, here you state:

"To state that another person's life is worth more, as we fight side by side - is racist and highly counterproductive as an effective fighting unit."

Sounds to me that you need to look at your first comment, in light of your second.

And while I'm picking on you, what do you mean "US security interests in Iraq"?!!@

Last time I checked, Saddam was paying the Paleostinians $25K a pop to blow themselves up in pizza parlors, no?

And he was, according to the NYT, about a year away from a nuke when the US invaded.

Not to mention other WMD that the IDF is on record is stating was moved to Syria only shortly before the other invasion?

Do you REALLY believe Israeli civilians are dying for US interest in Iraq? Talk about ungrateful!

Lots more Israeli citizens would have died, but for the US invasion, and you know it.


56 posted on 01/16/2007 12:56:35 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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To: MeanWestTexan

Oh, I don't.

But just as aggressive feminists tend to generate the very hostility towards women they deplore, people like Sasha inevitably generate some hostility towards Jews.


57 posted on 01/16/2007 12:58:56 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

I think it is because too many Jews also happen to be yankees.

Damn shame.


58 posted on 01/16/2007 1:00:38 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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To: DManA
I heard a Public Radio piece on that. At first the Kazakhstanis who know about it were appalled. But after they realized it had nothing to do with them they thought it was pretty funny.

The sad thing is that there an actual ethnic group denigrated by Borat movie - Romanian Gypsies. They do not have influence or powerful friends so they are the perfect target.

Gypsies are ignored even when they become victims of Albanian pogroms in Kosovo.

59 posted on 01/16/2007 2:20:20 PM PST by A. Pole (Napoleon Bonaparte:There, is a sleeping giant. Let him sleep! If he wakes, he will shake the world.)
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To: SJackson
American soldiers aren't dying anywhere to protect innocent Israeli civilians

Iraq does not count? Have you forgotten how Saddam Hussein was giving money to the families of suicide bombers?

60 posted on 01/16/2007 2:22:30 PM PST by A. Pole (Napoleon Bonaparte:There, is a sleeping giant. Let him sleep! If he wakes, he will shake the world.)
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