[Robert A Cook PE]

Not really.

Want I'm REALLY afraid of is that a "stand down" means thousands and thousands of EXTRA man-hours (or tens of thousands of extra man-days!!!!) of extra training and inspection - instead of a couple of hours of REST and THINKING of an overextended force with too few subs to do too many jobs that is actually what is needed.

You can micro-manage your people to death.

Literally.

[Palladin]

I am interested in this news, since I have a grandson currently serving on a submarine. What does this mean to the ships at sea? Will they have to return to their home ports for the stand-down?

Can some submarine vet chime in here?

[Bottom_Gun]

we've all talked about this before, and most of us agree

WE NEED MORE BOATS TO COVER THE MISSION!! I don't think that point is made enough.

[TheKidster]

I guess I was coming from a letting our enemies know our weakness point of view, rather than a inform the public point of view.

[justshutupandtakeit]

My elder son is a Navy nuke and he says the pace is killing and he is a young man in the peak of health. Hundred + hour weeks exhaust everyone.

[LonePalm]

Much depends on exactly how an "Operational Stand down" is conducted. If this is a safety and/or operational procedures stand down than I wouldn't make much of it.

Due to their notoriously poor maintenance, one of the Warnings and Indicators for the Soviets was a maintenance stand down which they would have to do prior to a general attack. For US forces this would generally not be necessary and time would be better spen resting personnel. Combat operations are very tiring.

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)
LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

[UpAllNight]

--Want I'm REALLY afraid of is that a "stand down" means thousands and thousands of EXTRA man-hours (or tens of thousands of extra man-days!!!!) of extra training and inspection - instead of a couple of hours of REST and THINKING of an overextended force with too few subs to do too many jobs that is actually what is needed.--

The article says that normal operations will continue until the investigation is complete.

[cva66snipe]

Want I'm REALLY afraid of is that a "stand down" means thousands and thousands of EXTRA man-hours (or tens of thousands of extra man-days!!!!) of extra training and inspection - instead of a couple of hours of REST and THINKING of an overextended force with too few subs to do too many jobs that is actually what is needed. You can micro-manage your people to death. Literally.

It's been going on since Gulf War one when the downsizing started under Poppy. People need to wake up and understand ones like John Warner and Carl Levin should have been relieved of his chairmanships of the Armed Services Committee for failing to provide for our military. The over extensions have cost us plenty both in manpower and in loss of ships due to missed maintenance because they had to shorten rotation times and missed yard periods.

It started going downhill in 1989 here is the proof Shipboard Casualties The numbers speak for themselves and this wasn't even in war time but it was when the Reagan military gutting began. Note the high numbers in 1989. Several events happened. A new Secretary of Defense the second one after Weinberger, Secretary of the Navy, and likely CNO changed that year as well.

It's simply not gonna get any better at all until some congress critters like Warner and Levin are replaced as well as finding us another capable Sec of Defense the stature and wisdom of Cap Weinberger who actually honest to goodness understood how to rebuild and run the military that the DEMS and RINO's have now nearly ruined in overextending a minimal force.

Cap was outside the Ford/Bush inner circle as well that has been an albatross to our military within the GOP. The truth needs saying on the matter.

We've got to stop making the same ongoing mistakes of Ford/Rummy, Carter/Brown, Bush/Cheney, Clinton/Aspin/Perry/Cohen and Bush/Rummy and go back to what actually worked. Weinberger was the best Secretary of Defense post WW2 second to none and Bush and his buddies need to take a look at what the man did and follow his examples. Any man who could rebuild the military that Ford and Carter ran to the level of readiness IMO is the very best.