Posted on 01/15/2007 9:38:08 AM PST by SmithL
Columbia, S.C. -- Sen. Joseph Biden, a Democratic presidential hopeful joining fellow Sen. Christopher Dodd at Martin Luther King Jr. holiday events, said Monday he thinks the Confederate flag should be kept off South Carolina's Statehouse grounds.
"If I were a state legislator, I'd vote for it to move off the grounds — out of the state," the Delaware senator said before the civil rights group held a march and rally at the Statehouse here to support its boycott of the state.
In Chicago, Sen. Barack Obama, also prominently mentioned in speculation about the White House sweepstakes in 2008, was a hit at a Rainbow/PUSH Coalition breakfast honoring King, even if he didn't deliver what much of the crowd clearly wanted: a declaration that he will run for president.
Obama received a standing ovation at the annual King scholarship breakfast when the Rev. Jesse Jackson introduced him with an approving reference to the Illinois Democrat's presidential aspirations.
"It's a long, nonstop line between the march in Selma in 1965 and the inauguration in Washington in 2009," said Jackson, the coalition's founder and a one-time presidential candidate himself.
Later, in an address at a King remembrance service at St. Mark's Church in suburban Harvey, Obama said: "I'm not making news today. I'm not here to make news. There will be a time for that."
More than six years after the Confederate flag was taken down from the South Carolina Capitol dome, its location in front of the Statehouse remains an issue at the heart of events celebrating Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.'s legacy.
Jim Hanks stood across from the Statehouse with about 35 Confederate flag supporters.
"We love this flag. We love our heritage," said Hanks, of Lexington.
Some carried signs saying: "South Carolina does not want Chris Dodd,"...
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Well, you were the one who chose him to support your position. So was he expressing his true beliefs in 1865? Or in 1869?
Typical Rat pandering in South Carolina. Every single Rat candidate that has come through the state in 2000 and 2004 toed the NAACP's zero-tolerance "pull down the flag" line. This despite the fact that the NAACP originally SUPPORTED the compromise that got the flag off the Statehouse dome, created an African-American memorial on the Statehouse grounds, and moved a small (3' x 3' I think) Army of Northern Virginia battle flag on a 20' pole behind the Confederate Soldiers' Memorial at Gervais and Main in downtown Columbia, on the Statehouse grounds. They sensed weakness after the compromise, and moved the goalposts. That's why you never compromise with black racists like the NAACP...they're never satisfied.
They all say this, they all do this. Kerry and Silky Pony and all the rest did it in '04 and every single Rat, including Hillary!, Osama, Plugs, Dodd, Richardson, all of them, will do it in 2007-08. If they don't, they will have no chance at the endorsements of the South Carolina race pimps, and if they don't get those endorsements, they stand a good chance of losing.
The black voting bloc is THE Democratic power base in SC now--the state is 30%+ black and they reliably vote 90%+ Rat, and the white vote is massively Republican. So the candidates will step and fetch to the tune of the Jesse Jackassons and Joe Darbys and Darrell Jacksons and their ilk in the hopes of obtaining those endorsements, and trying to, basically, "out-black" Obama. They're terrified that an articulate, young, handsome, allegedly church-going black man like Osama Obama will destroy them in the South. And he might.
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I don't recall stating my position, just a quote that conflicted with yours. But since you ask, I expect that Chase's more studied position on secession occurred in 1865 amid Francis Lieber's investigation into the probability of a successful treason trial against Jefferson Davis (Lieber concluded the Feds would lose).
It seems that you agree with Mr. Chase's changed position, which is fine. I know you to be a strong conservative, so I really hope you don't resort to liberals' favorite insult, used whenever a conservative justice does something they approve of, and say that he "grew" in office. Mr. Chase had absolutely nothing to lose in 1869 by changing his stated position on secession via an obscure Reconstruction-era bond case.
I noticed that there was no objection heard from "the Plagerizer" candidate also.
Ping..
But I see you still resort to the favorite southron insult that anyone who disagrees with the Southern rebellion just has to be a liberal. Nothing can be further from the truth.
Biden's hair transplant plugs obviously were planted too deep in his head, resulting in trauma to his pie hole.
And just where did I say that? I tried to disabuse you of that notion in my first eight words. There are a lot of conservatives who "disagree with the Southern rebellion." I have no problem with that. My problem is with the application of often-derogatory legal terms to an issue that was decided by the bayonet, and not by the courts, backhanded slaps like White v. Texas notwithstanding.
There was ALREADY a compromise with a group of liberal rabble-rousers to take the Confederate Battle Flag off of the top of the SC capitol building, and move it down to a less prominent position on the grounds.
It was just a matter of time before THAT wasn't good enough, and now they're back for more. This is just ANOTHER of MANY reasons NEVER to compromise with these left-wing, UN-American bastards, because it's NEVER good enough for them. To them, compromise means getting THEIR way. I wouldn't give them JACK SH*T.
Biden and Dodd are no better than liberal democrat prosecutor Nifong in NC. They are ALL trying to rile up and suck up to their ignorant, poor, black democrat base in order to get elected. They have ABSOLUTELY NO SHAME, and don't care who they hurt, or what American history, tradition, or heritage (especially if it's Southern, White, Christian, Conservative, etc.) they have to trample on to get there. They are THE worst of the worst, and should be treated accordingly as "domestic enemies" of the people of the United States.
I don't think we have to worry about them, but GOD FORBID either of these two left-wing maggots gets into the highest office in the land.
As a life-long South Carolinian, you are perfectly correct.
Hope you have been doing well!
Unfortunately, this is EXACTLY what is happening to the South. Liberal yankees with ABSOLUTELY no respect for the Southern way of life, for our traditions, history, and heritage, are running for office and bringing their liberal, essentially Un-American brand of governance with them.
We should make laws to prevent (similar to the law that prevents a foreigner from running for President of the U.S.) people that were not born in a particular state from running for ANY political office in that state.
My bad. I thought you had typed "I knew you to be a strong conservative..." My error and I humbly apologize.
Personally I think that it's unfair to suggest that Chief Justice Chase tailored his decision to the outcome of the war. I'm not aware of any quotes made by Chase while before or early in the war that indicated he thought the Southern acts were permissible. During the events surrounding the possible trial of Jefferson Davis, Chase settled on a Constitutional solution to foregoing such a trial that in no way suggested he thought Davis' actions were legal. Then a year later he comes out completely against secession as practiced by the Southern states. I've seen that quote of Chase's suggestion he thought Davis did nothing wrong, but I've never seen it in context and I remain somewhat skeptical. I think his other writings indicate his position more clearly.
Speaking of Jackson, I thought it was mighty nice of the Atlanta city government to rename Hartsfield international airport, to Hartsfield-Jackson.
Who'da thought that they'd recognize the great Confederate General, ol' Stonewall that way?
The big fact probably missed by most of the people at the King celebration is that Barak Obama's skin color is a plus now, not a minus. At least in my opinion.
You forgot the </sarcasm> tag.
But hopefully they'll remember what happened when they did.
We're MUCH better prepared now.
When South Carolina seceded in 1861, James Pettigru pointed out that you were too small to be a country and too large to be an insane aslylum. That much, at least, hasn't changed.
And if the arrogant bastards of the blue states, like Biden, Dodd, and their ilk think we are insane, well...
They can think that as we're kcking the living sh*t out of them this time around.
Those of us in the real Red states prefer to fight for our country and not just walk away from it.
They can think that as we're kcking the living sh*t out of them this time around.
Sure. Had you only managed to do that the first time around we wouldn't be having this conversation.
It damn sure ain't making it through trips to the ballot box, is it?
All we keep ending up with, is weak-kneed, weak-minded democrats, RINOs, and so-called "conservatives" more interested in "reaching across the aisle" when they are in power, than in doing WHATEVER IS NECESSARY to put America and Americans FIRST and doing what is right - no matter what.
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