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To: freedomdefender

You talk about reading so much truth that you have to take a deep breath after taking it all in.

I know that there's antichristian bias because I work in the public schools and I see it all the time. We had a counselor ask us to replace the Christmas tree in the lobby with a "peace tree" because not all of us are Christians. One teacher continually insists to staff and students that there's no real difference between "fundementalist Christians" and "fundementalist Moslems." I stood in amazement when a group from Ukiah visited my school to put on a show about "American history" and proceeded to link Christianity with slavery and oppression of minorities and women.

The only good news is that most of the secular Christ haters I know tend to be cowards. I can't see them taking up arms and hauling people away in the dark of night. What I can see is the steady erosion of freedom and the passage of laws that will compel good police and prosecutors to sadly shake their heads enforcing something that they don't agree with but feel compelled to comply with out of duty and honor. I work alongside those people, too - the ones who agree that it's foolish to leave the Christian virtues out of the school curriculum but also feel as if they should be following precendent and court rulings on the matter.

Speaking personally, I've had radically secular neighbors and outspokenly Christian neighbors. The Christians were much, much nicer to live next door to.


10 posted on 01/14/2007 5:10:24 PM PST by redpoll (redpoll)
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To: redpoll

Lapin's message seems to be that Americans are being softened up to accept anti-Christian laws in the future. Like prohibitions on the preaching of the Gospel, or on preaching some of the moral principles of Christianity, like monogomous marriage between man and woman. In some European countries - and Canada - the "hate crime" laws already seem to come close to making conservative Christianity illegal. This is what Lapin's getting at: The popular culture is pushing a pervasively anti-Christian message (through books, TV, music, movies), and after that, Americans could be willing to accept laws that effectively criminalize Christianity. It's happened before - in communist countries - so it would be denying history to say it can't possibly happen again.


17 posted on 01/14/2007 5:15:27 PM PST by freedomdefender
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To: redpoll

Slavery still exists in the world today among Islamic cultures (there was a Saudi couple convicted in Colorado who'd kept a slave in the US for 5 years).

Imam say that the world of Mohammed is no different than the world of today. Just because slavery is "unpopular", it is not illegal in the Islamic world. We are not to question the wisdom of the koran. That said slaves must be seized in jihad/holy war, non-muslim, and taken to an Islamic territory before they are divided up does not change the widely held Islamic belief that slavery is still permissible.


33 posted on 01/14/2007 5:35:40 PM PST by weegee (A higher minimum wage means a higher income tax level. Did they really get a raise in the end?)
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To: redpoll
Re your post 10, you note the cowardice of some secular people here in the USA. Agreed. I, on the other hand, can see certain groups of Christians taking up arms (which they already have) and defending themselves.

There is a new book out titled "Prayers for the Assassin." I bought it and have begun reading it. It is set in the year 2040. As forecast, the Muslims have conquered America, well, most of it. You see, most of the states of the old Confederacy (plus a section of southern Missouri) have beaten the Muslims back and established their own country, The Bible Belt.

New York and Washington, DC have been made uninhabitable by nuclear bombs. The rest of the country is The Islamic Republic of America. The capital, naturally, is Seattle.

Farfetched? Not entirely. I can see the Southerners refusing to accept the rule of Muslims, and I can see certain peoples in other parts of the USA armed and ready to do battle, rushing to join them.

35 posted on 01/14/2007 5:36:59 PM PST by OldPossum
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To: redpoll
>>>...compel good police and prosecutors to sadly shake their heads enforcing something that they don't agree with but feel compelled to comply with out of duty and honor.<<<

I'm reading "The Coming of the Third Reich" (Richard Evans). You could be describing "good" Germans who just went along to get along as the Nazis passed laws curtailing democracy and Jewish freedoms.

36 posted on 01/14/2007 5:37:10 PM PST by HardStarboard (Give Pelosi and Reid Enough Rope to Hang Themselves.)
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To: redpoll
What I can see is the steady erosion of freedom and the passage of laws that will compel good police and prosecutors to sadly shake their heads enforcing something that they don't agree with but feel compelled to comply with out of duty and honor.

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Hm....Like those law officers who hauled Elian Gonzoles out of his uncle's ( and court appointed ) home? ...and then celebrated with a party afterward?
56 posted on 01/14/2007 6:13:11 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid)
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To: redpoll
We had a counselor ask us to replace the Christmas tree in the lobby with a "peace tree" because not all of us are Christians. One teacher continually insists to staff and students that there's no real difference between "fundementalist Christians" and "fundementalist Moslems." I stood in amazement when a group from Ukiah visited my school to put on a show about "American history" and proceeded to link Christianity with slavery and oppression of minorities and women.

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Solution:

1) Remove your own child from these cesspools. Try to convince your neighbor to do the same.

2) Work like crazy to close down the government school indoctrination camps.
58 posted on 01/14/2007 6:15:23 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid)
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To: redpoll
The only good news is that most of the secular Christ haters I know tend to be cowards. I can't see them taking up arms and hauling people away in the dark of night. No, they will be the ones in the shadows with the cellphone turning people in.
76 posted on 01/14/2007 7:23:46 PM PST by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: redpoll
What I can see is the steady erosion of freedom and the passage of laws that will compel good police and prosecutors to sadly shake their heads enforcing something that they don't agree with but feel compelled to comply with out of duty and honor.

I agree with your comments, but would alter the above to state "... to protect their jobs and all-mighty retirement benefits".

155 posted on 01/15/2007 9:03:54 AM PST by banjo joe (Work the angles. Show all work.)
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To: redpoll

Part of the reason for success of the athiests and Reds is that Christians do not speak with one voice. There might be a billion different flavors of Islam, but there are a billion different flavors of Christianity, two billion if Moslems are identified as heretic Christians. Say anything and a number will call you heretic or perhaps, more politely, mistaken. Say, 'dunk,' and watch out for the sprinklers.


185 posted on 01/16/2007 11:45:45 AM PST by RightWhale
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