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Bush adding 21,500 troops to Iraq force - LIVE thread- speech 9pm EST
Yahoo/AP ^ | 1-10-07 | TerenceHunt

Posted on 01/10/2007 2:30:20 PM PST by STARWISE

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To: onyx

McLame on FOX now


861 posted on 01/10/2007 6:34:12 PM PST by SoCalPol (We Need A Border Fence Now)
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To: STARWISE

U.S. SECURITY IN IRAQ: AN OUTLINE FOR VICTORY
BY B-CHAN
2006.12.12

I. OBJECTIVES

A. Original Objectives
• Destroy Iraqi WMDs and WMD production capability: partial success
• Destroy and disrupt Jihadi currently operating in Iraq: success
• Attract outside Jihadi to Iraq and destroy them: partial success
• Establish a secure forward base in Southwest Asia: not yet a success
• Secure Iraqi oil supplies: not yet a success
• Kill or capture Saddam Hussein and destroy Ba'athist regime in Iraq: success
• Establish a stable multi-ethnic Iraqi government: not yet a success
• Establish, train and equip effective multi-ethnic Iraqi military and police forces: not yet a success

B. Actual Consequences
• WMDs gone missing
• Jihadi no longer major threat in Iraq
• Outside Jihadi now wary
• No security for U.S. Forces in Iraq
• Oil supplies less secure
• Iraq now vulnerable to foreign forces
• Outbreak of virulent Balkans-style ethnic/sectarian warfare
• Quasi-independent Kurdistan created
• Natives resent foreign interference in domestic affairs

C. Status Quo
• Iraq's military forces destroyed by U.S. main force
• Ba'athist government destroyed
• Saddam and other war criminals captured
• Power vacuum created
• Yugoslavia-like eruption of simmering ethnic/religious warfare
• Iraq now in a Balkans-style civil war

D. Revised Objectives
• Locate and neutralize missing WMDs, if any
• Destroy and disrupt remaining Jihadi forces currently operating in Iraq
• Establish a secure forward base for U.S. Forces in Southwest Asia
• Secure Iraqi oil supplies
• Maintain territorial integrity of Iraq
• Contain Iraqi sectarian violence within national borders
• Guarantee security of Kurdistan as bastion of order in region
• Allow Iraqis to settle their own affairs

II. ACTIONS TO ACHIEVE REVISED OBJECTIVES

A. STRATEGY: IRAQIZATION

1. Introduction

a. As in Vietnam, U.S. Forces cannot win a civil war in a foreign country. Conventional tactics will not stop civil war. In Vietnam, Westmoreland's operational concept emphasized the attrition of North Vietnamese forces in a "war of the big battalions": multi-battalion, and sometimes even multi-division, sweeps through remote jungle areas in an effort to fix and destroy the enemy. Such "search and destroy" operations were usually unsuccessful, since the enemy could usually avoid battle unless it was advantageous for him to accept it. But they were also costly to the American soldiers who conducted them, and to the Vietnamese civilians who were in the area.

b. Given strong U.S. support, the South Vietnamese fought well, blunted the Communist thrust, and recaptured territory that had been lost to Hanoi. Given strong U.S. support the Iraqi army can blunt the sectarian militias and gradually bring the country under control.

c. Attempts to fight an American War doomed to fail. Iraq must solve its own problems. U.S. Goal should be to manage civil war, allowing Iraqis to settle their own differences without compromising regional security or U.S, interests. This is Iraqization.

2.The Abrams Option

a. Make Iraq an Iraqi Responsibility: In Vietnam post-Tet, Gen Creighton Abrams placed emphasis on improving the South Vietnamese army, beginning the process of its recovery from the effects of long-term neglect that had prevailed under Westmoreland, who had pushed it aside so he could pursue an American war. Likewise, U.S. Forces should be focused on improving the Iraqi army, beginning the process of its recovery from the effects of collapse of civil order.

b. Play To Our Strengths. U.S. Is best at naval warfare, special operations, and massive destruction delivered by air. The United States provided massive air and naval support to South Vietnamese forces from secure bases, both in Vietnam and offshore. Likewise, the U.S. should withdraw from the bulk of Iraq and establish secure and defensible power projection bases both ashore and afloat.


B. TACTICS: FORT AND FLEET

1. Kurdistan: Fort Saladin
A permanent military installation occupied by U.S. Army, Air Force and SOCOM forces should be established within Kurdistan in northern Iraq. Kurdistan should be offered guarantees of its borders in exchange for long-term basing rights in Kurdistan (Fort Saladin), from which the northern half of Iraq can be managed. This facility would also serve as an airborne/airmobile/air strike power projection base for the region. Kurdistan is stable and peaceful. Once their security was guaranteed by the establishment of the northern No-Fly Zone, the Kurds set up their own civil democratic structures and developed their judiciary, police and security forces. Over the next thirteen years Kurdistan became a relative oasis of law and order, winning the reputation of being the safest region in all of Iraq. Fewer than two hundred coalition troops are currently stationed in the Kurdistan Autonomous Region. Not a single coalition soldier has lost his life on Kurdish soil.

2. Persian Gulf: Strike Force
A standing naval Strike Force Persian Gulf (SFPG) consisting of two Carrier Battle Groups, Coast Guard units, and an associated Marine Corps amphibious fleet should be stationed in the Gulf to manage the southern half of Iraq and project power throughout the region.


C. METHODOLOGY: AIR ASSAULT

1. Focused Power From Secure Bases
In Vietnam, Abrams's approach focused not on the destruction of enemy forces per se but on protection of the South Vietnamese population by controlling key areas. North Vietnamese offensive timetables were disrupted by preemptive allied attacks, buying more time for Vietnamization. In Iraq, U.S. tactics would focus not on pacifying all of Iraq but on the protection of Iraqi population centers from Jihadis, foreign forces, and sectarian militas. Militia and Jihadi offensive timetables would be disrupted by preemptive U.S. attacks, buying more time for Iraqization. Attempts at ethnic cleansing, genocide, and other crimes against humanity would be shattered by focused application of U.S. power.

2. Air Assault
Staging from Fort Saladin, U.S. Army Air Assault teams, SOCOM commandos, and USAF attack aircraft would surgically strike religious and ethnic militias, capture or kill warlords, suppress Jihadis, and prevent acts of genocide, mass murder, and ethnic cleansing in the northern half of Iraq.

3. Forward From The Sea
Staging from SFPG ships, U.S. Marine Corps/Navy SOCOM helicopter/tiltrotor strike teams and U.S. Navy/Marie Corps attack aircraft would surgically strike religious and ethnic militias, capture or kill warlords, suppress Jihadis, and prevent acts of genocide, mass murder, and ethnic cleansing in the southern half of Iraq.


III. ENDGAME
Over time, the Baghdad government would gain enough strength to establish firm control over the entire country. Whatever solution the Iraqis came to regarding their religious and ethnic differences (partition, etc.), it would be their own solution, not one imposed by the U.S., and thus would eventually achieve a natural stability.


END OUTLINE


862 posted on 01/10/2007 6:34:19 PM PST by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: PhiKapMom

Brownback is going to the dark side.


863 posted on 01/10/2007 6:34:21 PM PST by Fudd Fan (Liberal RATs will get us all killed.)
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To: Right_in_Virginia
And it was carried only by cable news channels, the major networks did not even carry it. Only few Americans saw this traitor and defeatist Dick Durbin giving his AID and COMFORT to the enemy speech.
864 posted on 01/10/2007 6:34:23 PM PST by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: paulat

Thanks, paulat -- that's interesting....FNC showed Turbin talking ugly.


865 posted on 01/10/2007 6:34:24 PM PST by onyx (DONATE NOW! -- It takes DONATIONS to keep FR running!!)
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To: jveritas

I can't remember Bush ever publicly speaking about Iran's and Syria's direct involvement in the fight.

THIS is an escalation and threat by Bush directly to Iran and Syria.


866 posted on 01/10/2007 6:34:27 PM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: StoneWall Brigade

I think the speech could have been a little tougher but it was specific and measured. What's more imporant is they need to provide the media with an immediate display of firepower. Otherwise Dems and MSM will just pick pick pick and declare defeat. Time for a little shock and awe to shut up the Dems for awhile. Especially on the borders. Bring in some more Iranian scalps. At the same time some more PR on Somalia would be helpful too. Tony are you there?


867 posted on 01/10/2007 6:34:30 PM PST by rhombus
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To: onyx
What is this that the democrats get a prime time response?

The main news channels didn't cover Durbin .. LOL!

868 posted on 01/10/2007 6:34:31 PM PST by Mo1 (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC AND DONATE)
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To: paulat

"Russert saying GOPers will cross over to defeat this new strategy."

No thanks to all the people who are working so hard to defeat this strategy - you will never get any support from me for anything.


869 posted on 01/10/2007 6:34:31 PM PST by popdonnelly
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To: Peach
I didn't listen to a single word he said. He's a disgusting human being and I detest him with every fiber of my being.


870 posted on 01/10/2007 6:34:37 PM PST by COUNTrecount
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To: marajade

Ummm...hello the average Iraqi on the street WANTS Iraq to win.

You do realize that the majority of the terrorist problem in that country is from Syria and Iran don't you?

Or are you another one of these knee jerk Arm Chair Generals?


871 posted on 01/10/2007 6:34:43 PM PST by txradioguy (In Memory Of My Friend 1st Sgt. Tim Millsap A Co, 70th Eng. Bn. 3rd Bde 1st AD K.I.A. 25 April 2005)
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To: Mo1

You know, the Democrats have successfully done to Iraq what they did to Vietnam.


872 posted on 01/10/2007 6:34:46 PM PST by Howlin (Don't blame me, I voted Republican!)
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To: STARWISE
Well organized, well planned and well articulated. That is the good news. The equivocal news is what is and what is not an Iraqi government. Most think in terms of borders, and people. Actually, a nation is different than those simple characteristics.

I hope someone has a copy of Jose Ortega y Gasset's "The Revolt of the Masses." If they do they will see that Gasset points out the following:

"A state is always, whatever its organization an invitation from one group of men to other groups to carry out some enterprise in common.."

.."Since it is a plan of common enterprise, its reality is purely dynamic, something to be done, the community in action...on this view everyone is part of the state regardless of race, blood, geography, social class--all of these take a secondary position...it is not the community of the past but of the future that determines a nation...not what we were yesterday but what we would be tomorrow...

In a word Iraq will be or is a nation provided they have a dynamic shared purpose and are futuristic and not past oriented.

This challenge of nationhood is not easily addressed by outsiders but they can reinforce sometimes what needs to be reinforced.

873 posted on 01/10/2007 6:34:58 PM PST by shrinkermd
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To: Miss Marple

LOL


874 posted on 01/10/2007 6:34:59 PM PST by SeaBiscuit (God Bless America and All who protect and preserve this Great Nation.)
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To: racing fan

Agree 100%.


875 posted on 01/10/2007 6:35:13 PM PST by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: STARWISE
What the freaking hell is this all about?? This isn't about a political campaign.

It's always politics to the dems ... and to McCain. He's on FOX now.

MUTE!

876 posted on 01/10/2007 6:35:16 PM PST by silent_jonny (Nothing Less Than Victory)
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To: Txsleuth
CAN YOU BELIEVE WHAT DURBIN IS DOING TO THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF RIGHT NOW??????

NO! I am steaming mad ... outraged !!

What he's doing to our troops ..!!!

How in God's name can such a blatant affront to the Commander in Chief and the morale of our troops be allowed?

877 posted on 01/10/2007 6:35:20 PM PST by STARWISE (They (Rats) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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To: skippermd

WHAT!!! The democrats oppose this plan, so the Senator says... Well what the hell do they want! Weren't they just pushing for more troops before the November election!!!

&&&&&

A caller asked Rush the same question today, and Rush replied that everything the Dems say are just talking points. Nothing ever has any substance, just a method of attacking President Bush.

As you have noted they are not embarrassed by inconsistencies. It is ALL about the soundbite of the day for them.


878 posted on 01/10/2007 6:35:25 PM PST by maica (America will be a hyperpower that's all hype and no power -- if we do not prevail in Iraq)
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To: paulat
Russert saying GOPers will cross over to defeat this new strategy.

One minute we're told the Republicans can't think outside of their herd, the next minute we're told there are big rifts in the Republican party.

879 posted on 01/10/2007 6:35:27 PM PST by syriacus (IF Truman cut + ran after 3,000 deaths, THEN the Korean War would have ended in 5 weeks.)
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To: Txsleuth

McCain on FNC basically saying that if we pull out of Iraq that hell would break lose


880 posted on 01/10/2007 6:35:33 PM PST by Mo1 (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC AND DONATE)
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