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To: tcostell
so maybe the government can mandate that a machine gun must be stored in a way that isn't a hazard to public safety, and provide other laws ensuring that it is being handled safely when operated.

I don't disagree, but the issue is whether a government can keep a working machine gun out of the hands of its citizens. I believe the court will rule that it can. Perhaps one day someone will want a nuclear bomb and argue that the 2d Amendment guarantees his right to it. Apparently the 2d Amendment doesn't apply to Iran or North Korea...thank God.

187 posted on 01/10/2007 5:16:46 PM PST by MACVSOG68
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To: MACVSOG68
"the issue is whether a government can keep a working machine gun out of the hands of its citizens. I believe the court will rule that it can. "

It's not whether a government can, but whether the federal government can.

The states and their localities have always regulated guns, the Second put no restrictions upon that. Neither has the Second been incorporated (yet) under the 14th to forbid them from doing so.

But this is a federal case. There is no apparent Constitutional authority for this law, and the Miller case is precedence against it. It's a good case if this fellow can afford to appeal.

197 posted on 01/10/2007 5:45:11 PM PST by mrsmith
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To: MACVSOG68
I agree that the court will rule it can prevent it as well, but because the law has been corrupted. As for the nuclear weapon issue, I think it's hard to argue that an individual should be allowed to keep a use once weapon like that, but I can also imagine circumstances under the way where it could be made to work.

As an example, the citizen can own a nuclear weapon, but they must store it in a approved nuclear weapon storage facility, under full time military guard, and the weapon itself must be subject to various fail-safes etc to assure it's safe storage and to prevent it's accidental discharge. All the costs associated with this storage will be the responsibility of the owner of the weapon, including the military guard and lease of the storage space etc.

You own it...just like your car it's yours ... no one disputes that... but there are HIGHLY restricted rules for actually firing one. It involves billions in insurance, an approved underground testing facility in an appropriately remote location... blah blah blah... In this way, it's legal under the law for an individual to keep and bear it, but it's still safe for the general public.

206 posted on 01/10/2007 6:07:22 PM PST by tcostell (MOLON LABE)
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To: MACVSOG68
Apparently the 2d Amendment doesn't apply to Iran or North Korea...thank God.

It doesn't, they are not part of the group "the people". Although strictly speaking the Second Amendment doesn't apply to the people either, it applies to the government.

268 posted on 01/10/2007 9:34:50 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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