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Did SIU profs cheat on state ethics exam?
The Sun Times newspaper. ^ | January 4, 2007 | Lori Rackel

Posted on 01/05/2007 7:30:35 AM PST by GladesGuru

The president of the school's faculty association said 65 teachers and 190 other SIU employees are being scolded by state investigators for their performance on an online ethics training course required for all state workers.

The problem wasn't their scores on the 10-question, multiple choice test. It was that they spent too little time reviewing the subject matter before taking the quiz, according to the Illinois Executive Inspector General's Office.

"It's not humanly possible" that they read and comprehended the information in such a short amount of time, said Deputy Inspector General Gilbert Jimenez. He added that "we're wondering" if a cheat sheet helped some of the quick studies.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: academentia; academicfreedom; ethicstest
That Deputy Inspector General Jiminez can't comprehend that others are both smarter/better educated than he is says much about Jiminez - none of it charitable. This is a clear and unambiguous example why goobers from some gooberment agency must not be allowed to harass American citizens.

Your limitations do not define the abilities of others, Senior Jiminez. Learn to live with it.

1 posted on 01/05/2007 7:30:37 AM PST by GladesGuru
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To: GladesGuru

Normally I'd think the worse of the profs but I think you're right.


2 posted on 01/05/2007 7:37:39 AM PST by sonsofliberty2000
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To: GladesGuru; sistergoldenhair

bump


3 posted on 01/05/2007 7:40:27 AM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: GladesGuru

Ethics is 90% common sense; the fact that government employees are required to take ethics training at all speaks volumes.

The best ethics training is practical: practice accountability as an individual and hold others to the same (almost futile in this age when victimology is it's own art form).


4 posted on 01/05/2007 7:40:58 AM PST by kas2591 (Life's harder when you're stupid.)
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To: GladesGuru

I'd also guess that this isn't the first time that they've been required to take this course. After about the 4th or 5th time, you can do this in your sleep...


5 posted on 01/05/2007 7:51:05 AM PST by Poseidon
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To: GladesGuru

Ethics exams are a no-brainer, IF you went to Sunday school, and assuming you feel guilty if you steal something. If, however, you are either a sociopath or a classic leftist, progressive Marxist, where the ends always justify the means, you are screwed, tight.


6 posted on 01/05/2007 7:56:36 AM PST by jonascord ("Don't shoot 'em! Let 'em burn!...")
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To: GladesGuru

I had to take this exam. It was easy. But they told us up-front that they would be monitoring how much time each person spent doing it, so I made sure I put enough time in -- I watched TV a bit, went to the washroom, had a smoke, etc. before I answered the questions at the end.


7 posted on 01/05/2007 8:01:10 AM PST by Southside_Chicago_Republican
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To: Southside_Chicago_Republican

I've had to take this kind of CE course too.

The next step, one that I've experienced, is the 'imbedding' of questions in the course. Watch 5 or 10 minutes, answer 2 questions, watch a little more, answer some more etc.

Soon they'll have a timer so that if you don't answer these imbedded questions within a set time they'll know you're doing something else and force you to start all over.


8 posted on 01/05/2007 8:06:34 AM PST by Balding_Eagle (God has blessed Republicans with political enemies who are going senile.)
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To: GladesGuru
SIU cheat!?!

Aw, c'mon 'Gilbert' (snicker) get real. SIU is known world wide for its high standards, both academically and ethically.

Why it's right up there with .. ah ... wait a sec ... hmmmm .... ???? ... oh hell, never mind, they cheated.

9 posted on 01/05/2007 8:12:16 AM PST by Condor51 (Mayor Daley (D-Chi) For POTUS. Really, why not? He's more conservative than Rudy! /s)
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To: GladesGuru
Quick background on this "ethics" test. (I know, because I have several friends who've had to take this). The test development company contributed heavily to Gov. Blago's campaign. It is a 10 question test, each question comes with a long reading section detailing a possible ethics violation (interestingly enough, in the first version of this test, the ones committing ethics violations in the examples were all Republicans; only later after complaints did they change it to use non-partisan examples).

It is not necessary to actually read the examples, as the questions are so poorly written that the correct answer is glaringly obvious, something along the lines of: "You are offered a bribe. Do you (a) Take the bribe (b)Take half the bribe, give the other half to your supervisor (c)Take the bribe, but later confess to someone (d)Not take the bribe." There isn't a FReeper on this board who couldn't read all 10 questions without reading the examples and pass.

This "test" is nothing more than a PR stunt, and a payoff to a campaign contributor. I'm not a fan of lefty professors more than the next guy, but in this case, I can assure you, they didn't cheat. What's ending up happening is because workers are being dinged for taking too short of a time, they're logging on to the test site, going to the first question, and then hanging out for 10-15 minutes before answering the stupidly easy question and then going on to the next one. Way to promote govt. efficency there.

10 posted on 01/05/2007 8:12:22 AM PST by ILPatriot
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To: GladesGuru
Your limitations do not define the abilities of others, Senior Jiminez. Learn to live with it.

Senior?

11 posted on 01/05/2007 8:15:03 AM PST by TankerKC (32570 21R)
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To: Balding_Eagle
Soon they'll have a timer so that if you don't answer these imbedded questions within a set time they'll know you're doing something else and force you to start all over.

I would be surprised. I've seen embedded questions but I didn't realize they could be used that way.

I teach an adult education course for a community college and this is the first year we've had to take this exam. The part I found ironic was the government of the State of Illinois teaching ethics.

12 posted on 01/05/2007 9:29:31 AM PST by Southside_Chicago_Republican
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To: TankerKC
Senior - sorry, but I know from nothing about Spanish.

Thanks for so subtly reminding me that basic English or SPELL would have found the error.
13 posted on 01/05/2007 12:10:07 PM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon Liberty, it is essential to examine principles, - -)
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To: Southside_Chicago_Republican

Imbedded.............should have been embedded. Seesh, and in from of a teacher too!


14 posted on 01/05/2007 4:29:12 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (God has blessed Republicans with political enemies who are going senile.)
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