Posted on 01/03/2007 1:13:42 AM PST by MinorityRepublican
Voters in Colorado and New Hampshire: Take note.
I find this table pretty meaningless. Oregon is listed as number 36, for instance. The 9.6% rate is income tax, all of it. Also, the "Progressives" have set up the state income tax to disallow exemptions that the IRS allows. Also the county of Multnomah / City of Portland have an additional income tax of 1.5%.
Across the river Washington (#24)has no income tax, but a hefty sales tax. If you have no or low income the rate is higher in Washington. If you are earning more than you spend the situation is very different.
Also there are more ways to easily avoid sales tax (internet shopping, which is still exempt, for instance) then to avoid a state income tax.
So I'm not sure where you got it but it seems pretty bogus to me. Maybe it's not so simple to do a 1 through 50 ranking of taxes, given the dynamics of the different types.
Many are high density as well.
There is a base safety issue that trumps even taxes. I don't want to live as a disarmed peon. I especially don't want to live as a disarmed peon in a dense urban environment filled with armed criminals.
I left NYC after being mugged and shot at. The turning point was being laughed at by the old guys in the crony-run gun shop across for the downtown police station. "Gedda load of this kid! He tinks he can jus come in here and buy a gun".
I moved to California and did just that. I never looked back and would never again consider living in such a place. That's just me, but I suspect there are many others who feel this way.
I think it would be very useful for one of these socialist hell holes to collapse, utterly. That would provide the object lesson. NY almost did in the 1970s, but got a bail out. I'm not sure who the poster child is. It is one of the things the R's should have been much harder on. Mass. should be punished for Ted and John. If the cash-transfer Big Dig had been ended would they have had another decade of prosperity? Do they produce ANYTHING of value in that state? (PhDs from MIT do have some value I suppose. BA's from Welsley (Hillary) less.)
That's the plan. Didn't you get the memo?
Indy has been getting more lib for some time, thanks to the influx of Illini - Chicagoans in particular - and liberal migrants from other states. It really, really sucks.
Take heart! I have a theory that as some states get more Democrat and socialist, they will become magnets for losers and parasites (the Democrat "base") from other states. So, just as the nation's cities are concentrated parasite nests within states, certain states will end up being BIG concentrated parasite nests within the country. Presumably, this will leave more than enough states to give an electoral advantage to the Republicans and provide safe haven for normal, hard-working traditional American families (the Republican "base").
1 Maine 13.00%
4 Rhode Island 11.40%
6 Vermont 11.10%
12 Connecticut 10.50%
32 Massachusetts 9.80%
49 New Hampshire 7.40%
I love this chart. It's particularly useful to people who lump all New England states together because of the federal politics, but don't see that some states have low taxes and it's the cost of living that kills people. Interesting that Maine and N.H. each elect two Republican senators, but with such a divergent approach to taxation.
Suburban Philadelphia is also turning blue--that's the big problem of the last 15 years. Outside of suburban Philadelphia, the Anthracite country, and Pittsburgh, there's not a lot of state left to be red. Yes, a lot of square mileage, but not many people.
"Talk about denial. He's only looking at property taxes, not the entire picture. The entire northeast will eventually collapse in on itself."
More than likely. Virtually all of those states, with the possible exception of NH, are becoming forests of FOR SALE signs.
People are voting with their feet for nicer weather and better prospects.
I have driven through practically every state in the union. I have a sure-fire way of determining which states have low social spending & taxes, and therefore higher growth: the condition of their Interstates and state highways.
IOW, high tax/spend states tend to consume their 'seed-corn' (commercial infrastructure) in order to fund their various social experiments/wealth transfers.
It really is astounding how accurate this rule of thumb is. If you drive the I-95 from Boston to NYC via Providence, you'll be amazed at its condition (and it's not just the weather).
Any even better comparison is to drive from OK->AR->LA->MS. It's practically instantaneous: once you cross into LA the the roads start to look like RI! Then, you as you cross the state line into MS on the I-10, it's once again an instantaneous transformation into a perfectly paved/maintained super-highway.
AL drops a little bit, then straight across FL on the I-10 is one of the most perfect roads in the US. Ditto for the I-95: this heavily trafficked interstate is pristine through SC & NC, while GA shows some effects of its wealth transfer policies.
For a real eye opener, travel some of the state roads in NC. What a mind blow - perfectly landscaped & maintained interchanges. Coming back to CA is like driving in Mexico.
Quote: "Especially since the lowest elements tend not to move, it costs too much for them to move. What an idiot."
Especially since the lowest elements pay very little in taxes, if anything at all. Thus, rebates for the poorest is nothing more than a liberal re-define of the word "welfare" to now really be a "rebate." Here in NJ, Corrzine tried that crapola with his proposed property tax rebates. Turns out, people at the income level to qualify for the rebates probably could not afford to own property in the first place. Even better, renters making less than 50K could qualify for the property tax relief. Welfare masked as "rebates."
The Northeast is gone and won't be back until it is in ashes which is happening faster than the liberals thought possible. The worse it gets, the more whacky the liberals running the Northeast states get. My wife jokes that Corzinne will outlaw moving trucks in NJ pretty soon and/or put up a wall in order to slow the flight. I would laugh if I couldn't see it happening.
The Democratic majority now in the statehouse in Concord New Hampshire is eager to move my state higher up the list. We have a Democratic governor who claims he will veto any proposal for a sales or income tax, but I don't trust him with a Dem majority in the Legislature.
Is that Rte. 10 paving job done yet?
Oh, I forgot. While I lived there, RI was known as the state with roads that started no where and went no where LOL
OB
RI's loss of population is the result of its socialism.
Arizona, California, Delaware, Massachusetts, New York, North Carolina and Pennsylvania—are raising their minimum wage. The federal minimum is $5.15 an hour. The new state minimum wages go as high as $7.50 an hour. And businesses will either raise their prices, stop hiring people at all, increase robotization of their production lines, or close their doors and relocate to other states. Economics 101, again. My guess is that the new laws in North Carolina and Pennsylvania were made possible because of the influx of New Yorkers, and in Arizona by the influx of Californians. Why is it that people leave a state because the state government has screwed up their lives, and then go on to replicate the situation in their adoptive state? I swear, one new law I’d support would be that people moving to a different state should not be allowed to vote on local matters until they’ve lived there for five years.
But that’s a rant for another time.
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Don't worry. Most folks from Mass and RI tend to go to New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, northern Virginia, and Florida, and not in the "suthun" parts of those latter states either. ;-)
How about lower taxes, cheaper housing, better schools, and better jobs. I wonder if they realize it is the red states that are growing?
I couldn't agree more. Additionally, I have always said that only people who pay income taxes should be permitted to vote. Of course, that would all but incinerate the rat party.
A big problem that southern states seem to have is that they tend to organize schools at the county, rather than the municipal level. On the plus side, this usually means lower property taxes. On the negative, this usually means that kids from the ghetto parts of the county go to the same schools as those kids in the white collar precincts, something unheard of in most of the NE.
Of course, I'm also for abolishing most public education, so you can take what I say with a grain of salt.
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