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The Gene Wars---Is There a Historical Right to the Land of Israel? [very long, 2 articles]
Azure ^ | 1-2-07 | CHAIM GANS

Posted on 01/02/2007 2:52:00 PM PST by SJackson

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1 posted on 01/02/2007 2:52:18 PM PST by SJackson
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; ..
If you'd like to be on this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.

High Volume. Articles on Israel can also be found by clicking on the Topic or Keyword Israel. or WOT [War on Terror]

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2 posted on 01/02/2007 2:52:49 PM PST by SJackson (had to move the national debate from whether to stay the course to how do we start down the path out)
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To: SJackson
Even those who reject a sovereign G_d should understand the very basic principle that the only people who have a 'right' to a particular tract of land are those who fight to keep it.

Boo-hoo if you don't think that's 'fair.'

3 posted on 01/02/2007 2:57:57 PM PST by JOAT
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To: JOAT

You got that right. The land has historically belonged to whoever could take it and hold it.

If Israel wishes to survive they need to remember that.
We need to remember it to.

Peace through Strength.


4 posted on 01/02/2007 3:02:58 PM PST by sgtbono2002 (Peace through strength.)
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To: SJackson

To the victor go the spoils.

Israel is not the last owner of that land.


5 posted on 01/02/2007 3:05:25 PM PST by Glenn (Annoy a BushBot...Think for yourself.)
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To: JOAT

"Boo-hoo if you don't think that's 'fair.'"

My grandfather, God rest his soul, warned me early on that I should not expect life to be fair.

You are dead on with respect to this, IMO.


6 posted on 01/02/2007 3:06:36 PM PST by L98Fiero (A fool who'll waste his life, God rest his guts.)
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To: Glenn
"To the victor go the spoils. Israel is not the last owner of that land.

If Turkey wants what was lost in the ottoman empire wars, then this would trigger all lost lands due to agressive wars a whole new "war". The Ottomans stole it from the Christians. So the Brits, (Christians) won it back, and divided the ME up as they saw fit. If Arabs want to whine, then lets put the whole ME back under Brittish rule- screw them. If that's not good enough, then lets go back in time to when Jesus walked the earth. That puts it under control of the Roman empire.

7 posted on 01/02/2007 3:15:50 PM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: SJackson

Entertaining, but irrelevant, ramblings of sycophants sucking up to the latest philosophical establishments.

Muslims understand 'right by conquest' and will act on it. Will anyone else?


8 posted on 01/02/2007 3:19:02 PM PST by hlmencken3 (Originalist on the the 'general welfare' clause? No? NOT an originalist!)
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To: hlmencken3

I guess we are going to have to.

From the roman empire time on, it was always a battle between Christans and Muslims of one sort or another. That "other" where the ottomans- who were definately not Arabs for amny centuries.
"Jews"(as in the Jewish relion, there is no "last tribe" anymore) never held that land since the Roman empire conquered it, until the state of Isreal was re-created in 1948.
That's who Holds it today by international agreement through the UN (when the UN wasn't corrupt with Jew haters like it is now). They have every right to defend it.


9 posted on 01/02/2007 3:27:07 PM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary

--If that's not good enough, then lets go back in time to when Jesus walked the earth. That puts it under control of the Roman empire.

"I am sorry, but the -ROMAN EMPEROR- cannot come to the phone right now. Please leave a message or try on the -ROMAN EMPEROR-'s cell phone, area code XXXVIIDMCD XXXIVIVDCMXXIVXXIIIVCDMXIX, thank you...*beep*beep*beep..."
"I am sorry, but the voice mailbox for -ROMAN EMPEROR- is full. Please try again..."


10 posted on 01/02/2007 3:30:27 PM PST by Ottofire (O great God of highest heaven, Glorify Your Name through me)
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To: Nathan Zachary

Come to think of it, Macedonia was part of the Roman empire as well, so by rights it should be given back to the Christians Greeece, not the other way around.


11 posted on 01/02/2007 3:31:06 PM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: JOAT
are those who fight to keep it.

I would add the modifier successfully after fight.

12 posted on 01/02/2007 3:34:07 PM PST by leadhead (It’s a duty and a responsibility to defeat them. But it's also a pleasure)
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To: Ottofire

I guesss the /s needs to be added for some people.

but if you like, we can call what's left of Europe today the remnants of the Roman empire- Western society.


13 posted on 01/02/2007 3:35:26 PM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: SJackson
Genetically based claims to sovereignty are the newest tactics employed in old struggles over national sovereignty and borders

You're to be commended for formatting all of this, but the upshot of the article is that all Americans of European descent should abandon North America and leave it to the indigenous people.

14 posted on 01/02/2007 3:36:39 PM PST by My2Cents ("Friends stab you from the front." -- Oscar Wilde)
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To: sgtbono2002

However, this response emanates from early ideological conditioning rather than from a worldview which is the product of systematic reasoning.

Satan is the Author of your "World View"

God is the Creator of All mankind and Our DNA..He said "go into the Land and take possesion of it"

Only a Godless Intelectual like the Author of these crappy Articles would call the belief that God Gave the Land to Israel, "ideological conditioning"

and Satan's world view "Systematic Reasoning"

when the exact opposite is the Truth. To accept the "World View" is the wide road to Hell.

and calling Biblical truth.."ideological conditioning"
betrays the Authors lack of Knowlege.

God Gave the land to Israel, they dont need the accepted DNA to convince anyone in the World. they have an IRON-Clad unbreakable Title to the land that superceeds any
idiotic "conditioned Reasoning" proposed By some intelectual.

If any race in this world has a right to a piece of land..Israel has an exclusive Right to Palestine.

all others are tresspassers.

and The Authors conclusions are irrelevant.

The Bible says "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of Wisdom" this makes the Authors less than Morons.

The word "Fear" Here means Awesome respect. not fear like the idiot intelectuals lie about scripture to the World

and second it says Wisdom, not Knowlege..which is less desireable.

So anyone, with a drop of Wisdom is by far a smarter person than one with a Mountain of Knowlege.

The Bible says that the Godless intelectuals are "Blind"
to this truth.

Because Knowlege is their "GOD"

Read it and Weep.


15 posted on 01/02/2007 3:40:44 PM PST by LtKerst (Lt Kerst)
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To: Glenn

Israel is not the last owner of that land.

Ill bet you your eternal Life you are wrong.


16 posted on 01/02/2007 3:44:38 PM PST by LtKerst (Lt Kerst)
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To: LtKerst

Do you mean from now 'til the end of the world?


17 posted on 01/02/2007 3:49:13 PM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: SJackson

Fascinating!
And racist---part of the new primitivism coming our way.
Lengthy, too :)


18 posted on 01/02/2007 3:50:02 PM PST by Graymatter
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To: LtKerst

Your right.

This article and "DNA" crap is just that- crap.
The origional seed has been spread far and wide, as every single tribe has been exiled and spread far and wide.

The Lord is quite clear on who he considers "his people" now.
When his day arives, many will discover that much too late.


19 posted on 01/02/2007 4:07:13 PM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: LtKerst
Ill bet you your eternal Life you are wrong.

You're on.

20 posted on 01/02/2007 4:07:14 PM PST by Glenn (Annoy a BushBot...Think for yourself.)
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