Saddam Hussein Hanging LIVE Thread

[FreeReign]

You:Celebration of Justice Served, yes. Celebration for the need to met out such justice in the first place, no.

Me: Identify who on this thread celebrates for the latter and not the former.

You: Read through the posts on this and other threads. I think you'll get the idea.

Me: No, I think you should put down the waving piece of paper and actually back up your charge. Point out who on this thread wants a person like Saddam to come along so that we would have to kill him?

BTW, you still haven't backed up your charge with names of posters wanting a person like Saddam to come along so that we would have to kill him.

For somebody who is lost to feel some level of empathy for Saddam victims you certainly have these posters pegged, right?

[SoldierDad]

I'll let my M.A. speak for itself when it comes to knowing the meaning of words. You may feel free to celebrate with the people of Iraq all you wish, but YOU will never know the depth of their feelings and no amount of talking by you will ever change that fact.

In college I met and made friends with several Iraqi nationals in the early 90's (after the war to remove Saddam from Kuwait). They shared stories of what had happended to members of their family under Saddam (some of whom disappeared never to been seen again). I've never experienced such a traumatic event. Again, I can SYMPATHIZE with what they shared with me, but I cannot ever know the depth of their pain, and neither can anyone who has not experienced what they did. The family members of the victims of Ted Bundy can feel that pain, but I cannot. Can I imagine what that pain feels like? It does not matter whether I can "imagine" that pain or not as this is not, nor can every be the same as "feeling" that pain.

Celebrate, but don't try to give a psychologist a lesson in empathy vs sympathy. I deel with both on a daily basis and know the differnce between the two quite well.

[AmeriBrit]

Does it boost your ego and make you feel like a 'big man' when you use a cowards tactic and send threatening FReepmail to members as you did to me last night, so others don't know what your up too?

[SoldierDad]

I hope Saddam burns in hell for all he's done to his own people and to the people of the countries around him. That said, I don't have a cause for celebration at his death. Way too many people have posted on this and other threads their absolute glee about the death of a dictator. Some, of whom I am not going to drag into a conversation you and I are having about a different topic, seem to be enjoying not only his death, but the deaths of others in the middle east. That is what my post alluded to, and nothing more. There may be a reason to celebrate that this ruthless tyrant is no longer able to murder the innocent, but all of humanity should mourn the reasons for why this man was condemned to death. That is all I have to say on this subject. Piece be upon you.

[FreeReign]

Celebrate, but don't try to give a psychologist a lesson in empathy vs sympathy. I deel with both on a daily basis and know the differnce between the two quite well.

I never used the word sympathy nor did I try to compare it with the word empathy. I simply used the word empathy, correctly.

Why do you try to give a lesson using a strawman fallacy?

[FreeReign]

There may be a reason to celebrate that this ruthless tyrant is no longer able to murder the innocent...

Then we agree although I would say it more affirmatively.

Piece be upon you.

Peace to you.

[SoldierDad]

Please explain where the strawman lies in my comments. My posts attempted to create a dialogue regarding a claim that there is a moral obligation to have empathy when empathy cannot be obtained unless one first has a shared experience. Thus, I employed the correct term, sympathy, in place of the incorrect term empathy (except for those who have had that shared experience). I take issue that you used the word "empathy" correctly, as you did not.

By the way, a strawman fallacy requires that I create something that does not exist, and then attack that instead of the actual issue. Since I'm the one who introduced the term "sympathy" and never claimed that you did, there was no strawman in this discussion.

Now, to use the correct spelling (fingers sometimes move faster than eyes), Peace be upon you.

[WVNan]

Most excellent point my Friend. Most excellent. We might look instead to Iraq a few thousands of years ago in a place called Eden.

[Tax-chick]

it will be my "disappearing memorial" to the BEAST of Bagdadh!

LOL!

I'm so glad he's gone.

[WVNan]

That link doesn't get me anything. Any suggestions?

[RonDog]

My source tells me it was filmed from taking him from his cell to the end.

Also, an Arab news website reports Saddam broke down (like a coward) and had to be assisted.

Hopefully we'll see soon.

EXCELLENT, kristinn!!

I have NOT (yet) seen that part of the video.

The short clips that I have seen so far show Saddam as almost "heroic" -- refusing to wear a hood, etc. :(

The world needs to see the REAL Saddam!

[bray]

At least he can tell Satan he was Well Hung or is the proper way Well Hanged.

Pray for W and Our Troops

[SoldierDad]

Empathy

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Empathy (from the Greek åìðÜèåéá, "to suffer with") is commonly defined as one's ability to recognize, perceive and directly experientially feel the emotion of another. As the states of mind, beliefs, and desires of others are intertwined with their emotions, one with empathy for another may often be able to more effectively divine another's modes of thought and mood. Empathy is often characterized as the ability to "put oneself into another's shoes", or experiencing the outlook or emotions of another being within oneself, a sort of emotional resonance.

Contrasting empathy to other phenomena

One must be careful not to confuse empathy with either sympathy, emotional contagion or telepathy. Sympathy is the feeling of compassion for another, the wish to see them better or happier, often described as "feeling sorry" for someone. Emotional contagion is when a person (especially a child or a person in a mob) identifies with strong emotions others are showing and becomes subject to the same emotions themselves. Telepathy is a controversial paranormal phenomenon, which differs in that empathy is based not upon the paranormal but upon sophisticated processing of what is seen and heard in the usual way.

[WVNan]

I'm with you on this SD. Empathy is feeling the emotion of another because you have had a like experience. Sympathy is feeling compassion for another because you care about their pain. I can empathize with someone who has lost a son because I have lost a son. I sympathize with someone who has lost their spouse because I realize it is painful for them, but I can't empathize with them because I have not yet lost my spouse. I do not know how that would feel. I can imagine, but I can't know.

[Theresawithanh]

Hi, blabbingmike, and welcome to FR. Thanks for the links to the photos.

[SoldierDad]

Thanks for the support. On November 4th my father was killed in a motorcycle accident. I can now know what others feel when they experience this kind of loss. I cannot know your pain at losing a son as I have not experienced that. I sympathize with you, and pray that the Lord eases your pain. But without having lost a child, I don't know the depth of that pain. The people of Iraq experienced suffering that most of us in the U.S. have not or never will experience (God willing). I have sympathy for their suffering, but I do not ever want the ability to empathize with them.

Again, thanks for the support.

[FreeReign]

Empathy is often characterized as the ability to "put oneself into another's shoes", or experiencing the outlook or emotions of another being within oneself, a sort of emotional resonance.

Exactly what I was saying. It even repeats the "somebody else's shoes" phrase that I used.

Me post 4912:It's our moral obligation to walk in somebody else's shoes -- not to sit back and say that only the victim can imagine what it must be like.

Me, Post 4912:Saddam's crimes were criminal to all. I pity those who have no more empathy than bystander-ness when it comes to crime and the victims of crime.

Definitions;

Exerpts from Websters:

The imaginative ascribing to...a feeling.

The vacarious experiencing of the feelings...of another.

I used the word correctly. You should stop with the straw man fallacy. And you did agree that celebration was in order although you still wrongly accuse many nameless posters of wanting a villan to execute.

[SoldierDad]

Have it your way.

[FreeReign]

Empathy is feeling the emotion of another because you have had a like experience....I can empathize with someone who has lost a son because I have lost a son. I sympathize with someone who has lost their spouse because I realize it is painful for them, but I can't empathize with them because I have not yet lost my spouse.

Oh come on.

There will alway be some differences. No two circumstances are the same. A son dying vs. a spouse dying. Person A vs. person B.

However both cases involve a depth of emotional pain that is severe.

A person can have empathy for another who has suffered a similar depth of emotional pain.

A person can have empathy for somebody who lost a loved one to Saddam drawing on various tragedies that they have suffered in their lifetime.

[ohioWfan]

Iraq's location relative to Scripture occurs to me often, Nan.

The things happening there now are of import, IMO.....