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To: jwalsh07
First of all you are conflating US Armed Forces end strength with a buildup in Iraq of 20,000 soldiers and Marines. You understand the difference, no?

The Kagan paper that you linked calls for "A surge of seven Army brigades and Marine regiments to support clear-and-hold operations starting in the spring of 2007". This includes ALL of the command and support elements, plus the equipment necessary to prosecute combat. It is not merely 20,000 "grunts" (as you like to call them). The training, material, command, and logistics all come from "end strength" resources. Our nation can not simply crank out a full combat Army Division, and two Marine Combat Brigades in one fiscal quarter and send them into combat for "longer tours for several years". It is not sustainable.

Including the National Guard and reserves we have a million troops available.

We sure do. Are all of these available troops trained, equipped, and configured to deploy into combat battalions for security operations in Iraq?. No, they are not. Some number are trained and equipped for Arctic or cold weather conditions, and some number are trained and equipped for jungle conditions. Still other troops are configured for high mountain and coastal conditions. We must use the correct configuration of our armed forces for any "troop surge". The fact that none of the commanders in Iraq are calling for more troops on the ground is quite telling.

There is no "peace dividend" and there never was one. The sooner you and your compatriots understand that the better off America will be.

I do not know what group of "compatriots" you are lumping me in with. My position is this: If it requires additional forces to be deployed in Iraq to bring security, then by all means let us deploy the right amount. Congress and the administration are duty bound to insure that there is a clear objective to be achieved by sending additional forces. Simply propping up a corrupt Maliki Shiite Hezbullah government is not a valid objective. The Iraqi government is the one showing zero accountability. And our constitutional republic is rewarding the Iraqi government with another $10 Billion. All because of the UN Mandate extended by the security council. "The U.N. Security Council has extended the mandate of the U.S.-led multinational force in Iraq for another year. From U.N. headquarters, VOA's Peter Heinlein reports the vote was unanimous." http://www.voanews.com/english/2006-11-28-voa53.cfm

59 posted on 12/24/2006 11:45:48 AM PST by ARealMothersSonForever
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To: ARealMothersSonForever
No offense here but you don't seem to grasp the fact that the Regular Army has about 40 active combat brigades. We currently have about 12 to 13 deployed. 10 in Iraq, 1 or 2 in Afghanistan and 1 in South Korea. That leaves 27 brigades not deployed.

Of course that's not enough troops to rotate tours on a one year deployed, one year regrouping and one year training basis. We need5 more divisions to accomplish that.

The NG also has about 35 brigades with I think, 4 deployed in Iraq.

All of the above brigades are, of course, equipped and trained. Some less so than others but the RA guys are good to go except that they are being deployed every other year. Tough on the grunts. Yes, grunts.

That doesn't take into account the Marine Corps and their 180,000 Marines.

This is nothing new amigo. Troop strength surged every time Iraq had an election.

61 posted on 12/24/2006 4:52:48 PM PST by jwalsh07 (Duncan Hunter for President)
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