Wha is Neolibertarianism?

The New Libertarian ^ | April 1, 2005 | Dale Franks

[Luis Gonzalez]

There's a difference between the traditional libertarian and this idea of a neolibertarian, and this guy makes a great case for that issue.

I absolutely agree with you on the WOD.

I think that something's happened in the political landscape that's made libertarianism, or neolibertarianism, more attractive to that segment of the broader right wing voter who may be more than disgusted at a GOP driven by social conservatives and big government politicos.

[Hank Kerchief]

"I guess that whole "no man is an island" thingy was lost on you?"

Yes, because I know a scam when I see one--you evidently were taken in by it.

From The Autonomist's Notebook:

"No man is an island," is a lie. An island is exactly what a man is, what every man is. When someone uses this quote as an argument, be sure he is preparing to invade your island, and if he is successful, the bells will surely toll for thee.

Hank

[Philistone]

You may be interested in this forum:

Multiple Utopias

[Luis Gonzalez]

Aren't you in the wrong forum?

From Wikipedia:

Autonomism refers to a set of left-wing political and social movements and theories close to the socialist movement. Autonomism (autonomia) emerged in Italy in the 1960s from workerist (operaismo) communism. Later, post-Marxist and anarchist tendencies became significant after influence from the Situationists, the failure of the Italian revolutionary era in the 1970s and the emergence of a number of important theorists including Antonio Negri, who had contributed to the 1969 founding of Potere Operaio autonomist group. It influenced the German and Dutch Autonomen, the worldwide Social Center movement, and today is influential in Italy, France, the United States and some other English-speaking countries. Those who describe themselves as autonomists now vary from workerist Marxists to post-structuralists and (some) anarchists.

The term Autonome is derived from the Greek "auto-nomos" referring to someone or something which lives by his/her own rule. Autonomy, in this sense, is not independence. While independence refers to an autarcic kind of life, separated from the community, autonomy refers to life in society but by one own's rule. Aristotle thus considered that only beasts or gods could be independent and live apart from the polis ("community"), while Kant defined the Enlightenment by autonomy of thought and the famous "Sapere aude" ("dare to know").

Unlike other forms of Marxism, autonomist marxism emphasises the ability of the working class to force changes to the organisation of the capitalist system independent of the state, trade unions or political parties. Autonomists are less concerned with party political organisation than other types of Marxist thought, focusing instead on self-organised action outside of traditional organisational structures. Autonomist Marxism is thus a "bottom up" theory: it draws attention to activities that autonomists see as everyday working class resistance to capitalism, for example absenteeism, slow working, and socialisation in the workplace.

Like other Marxists, autonomists see class struggle as being of central importance. However, autonomists have a broader definition of the working class than other Marxists: as well as wage-earning workers (both white collar and blue collar), autonomists also include the unwaged (students, the unemployed, homemakers etc), who are traditionally deprived of any form of union representation.

Early theorists (such as Mario Tronti, Antonio Negri, Sergio Bologna and Paolo Virno) developed notions of "immaterial" and "social labour" that extended the Marxist concept of labour to all society. They suggested that modern society's wealth was produced by unaccountable collective work, and that only a little of this was redistributed to the workers in the form of wages. They emphasised the importance of feminism and the value of unpaid female labour to capitalist society.

You're a Marxist, how quaint.

How are things working with Karl's theories these days?

[Luis Gonzalez]

Gave it a cursory glance...interesting.

I'll be back when I have more time.

[Hank Kerchief]

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition. 2000.

autonomy

SYLLABICATION: au·ton·o·my
PRONUNCIATION: ô-tn-m
NOUN: Inflected forms: pl. au·ton·o·mies
1. The condition or quality of being autonomous; independence. 2a. Self-government or the right of self-government; self-determination. b. Self-government with respect to local or internal affairs: granted autonomy to a national minority. 3. A self-governing state, community, or group.
ETYMOLOGY: Greek autonomi, from autonomos, self-ruling. See autonomous.
OTHER FORMS: au·tono·mist —NOUN

I'm an independent individualist. Your collectivism is much nearer Marxism, I think. I'll presume you were just making a mistake, not indulging in ad hominem.

Hank

[traviskicks]

bkmark

[Luis Gonzalez]

If a friend refers to his wife as a "bitch", I can't assume that he's married to a member of the canid species because the dictionary says that's what a "bitch" is, I need to define the word in reference to the subject being discussed, in this case, we are discussing forms of government or political idealism. When I looked up the definition of "autonimism" in relation to politics, that was the definition that I got.

"Autonomism", politically speaking, is defined as a form of Marxism by Wikipedia...if anyone is engaging in ad hominems it may be them.

Now, when I went to www.autonomism.com, it defined itself as this:

"Autonomism presents a new and innovative alternative - a systematic political theory that is designed to finally start controlling governments into serving the common good."

Now, if that doesn't sound like Marxist collectivism, I don't know what does.

[Hank Kerchief]

Why do you want to think I'm something I'm not. If you want to know what my principles are, you have to ask me, not Wikipedia. If you had read any of the links I supplied you could not be making this huge mistake.

Try these:

http://theautonomist.com/aaphp/permanent/antbkcintro.php

http://theautonomist.com/aaphp/permanent/rebel.php

Hank

[No.6]

"Was it equally dumb when it was applied to conservatives?"

Yes, in my opinion.

"In the early 1970s, Socialist Michael Harrington prominently used the term in a manner similar to the modern meaning." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservative).

When our enemies create labels to divide us, we shouldn't cooperate.

[Luis Gonzalez]

"Autonomy is not a philosophy, not an ideology, not a political movement, or even a political viewpoint."

That's the very first statement from your link.

You are posting on a thread discussing political ideology from the viewpoint of a person who holds a belief that's not classified as an ideology, a philosophy, a political point of view, or a movement, then you rail against collectivism and everything that amounts to things done by more than one person.

In other words, while denouncing the whole "no man is an island" thing, you claim to be a one-man island!

[Hank Kerchief]

"... while denouncing the whole "no man is an island" thing, you claim to be a one-man island!"

Exactly!

You seem to think that's a contradiction. Read it again. I'm opposed to the view that man IS NOT an island, which means, every man IS and island.

Hank

[Luis Gonzalez]

You're not.

You don't exist in a different world than the rest of us, we are all impacted by one another whether you like it or not. All philosophy aside, man is a social animal.

[Hank Kerchief]

"You don't exist in a different world than the rest of us..."

And you know this how?

Actually, I do exist in a different world than the rest of you, and in that world I have many very close friends, individuals I both love and admire and our relationships are determined entirely be each one's own choices to each one's own best interest. It is a world you can know nothing of, because it excludes all unearned obligations and is built on the truth. The inhabitants of that world are all independent individualists, and when your world has collapsed in postmodernist hedonist collectivist multiculturalist rot that is destroying it and been taken over by the barbarian Islamists, we'll be free as we have always been and always will be.

There are no social solutions, and no government has ever provided freedom and only those who have learned to live without government (which includes not attempting to eliminate them--which cannot be done) will ever find true freedom.

Now the thing you will hate about what I've written is not that I live in a world that can never be yours, but that I do not need you, your world, or anyone in it. All collectivists hate the truly independent individual.

Hank

[Luis Gonzalez]

"Actually, I do exist in a different world than the rest of you, and in that world I have many very close friends, individuals I both love and admire and our relationships are determined entirely be each one's own choices to each one's own best interest."

I guess the rest of us must hang out with people whom we are forced to hang out with by some super powerful, intergalactic being.

How many suns are there in that world?

[Hank Kerchief]

Luis, I thought you would understand the different world I live in is metaphorical. Maybe it was a little to subtle for you. ;>)

Merry Christmas!

Hank