[Lunatic Fringe]

The problem with Libertarians is that they want to go back to the time when we had a very small federal government. You know, back when there were no labor laws, no education departments, no FAA, no Dept of Transportation, no FBI...

I want a smaller government, but I want one that provides sensible and efficient services.

[speekinout]

I want a smaller government, but I want one that provides sensible and efficient services.

Is there any limit to the number of services you want the gov't to provide? It would be "sensible" to make sure we all had clothing, food and medical care. Do you want the gov't to do that efficiently?

[Old Dirty Bastiat]

That's hilarious! If you're looking for sensible and efficient services from the government you're looking in the wrong place. The libertarians have no problem with you now though, because you do want the gov to be smaller. Libertarians only have real problems with RINO's and "conservatives" who want BIGGER government. It's bad strategy for libertarians and real conservatives, who both want smaller government, to be at each others throats. It's also bad strategy for the Libertarian party to divide the small government vote and thereby help elect HUGE government Democrats. Real conservatives and libertarians should work together to make the government smaller than it is now rather than argue over how small is small enough- we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.

[Kewlhand`tek]

You know, back when there were no labor laws, no education departments, no FAA, no Dept of Transportation, no FBI..

tell me, can you live without those services? Maybe I need to get out more or my chapter of the Libertarian party is an anomoly. no liberals there, well, one old man in the group said he hates that the left high jack the terminalogy of liberal, he considered himself a 1940's liberal. we did have one NORML dude however pot was rarely discussed. At one meeting I was surprised there was HUGE support of Bush, that was in mid 2003, I went off to Iraq soon after and havent had time to attend any meetings but during the 2004 elections most of them emailed me saying they were voting for Bush. If I could lable myself anything its a Christian Conservative Nationalist!

[Tinman]

You mean a Federal government as established by those old guys? What was it they called their plan?

Oh yeah!

The Constitution.

Works for me.

[Luis Gonzalez]

Try neolibertarianism.

[Rhiannon]

I personally want a federal government that only has jurisdiction based on what the constitution provides. Not the overarching govt these days.

Basic services such as provide for defenses and offenses ie:military
Basic common currency.
Standardized measures so we don't have 50 different standards.

Federal govt does foreign policy

Interstate highways under commerce clause.

No constitution jurisdiction for charitable causes this also means welfare. No jurisdiction over education, health insurance. I have very conservative individualistic views. I agree with small govt. This is a republic and all powers not specifically delegated to fed govt by the constitution are reserve to the people and the states. I do not want the federal govt to have all these overreaching powers. This is the general basis of conservatives. Ronald Reagan types.

The difference is the Libertarian party also is isolationist not interventionist. Since I think intervention can solve problems when they are smaller than when they get large.

Example: should have taken out Chavez when he was first running for office. Solve the problem of him becoming the next Castro for 20-30 years. Or take out Sadr when he was first showed up before he got a large power base.

Republican party had a lot of conservatives with Libertarian leanings. Bob Barr is probably the best arguing for our self rights not to be usurped. He is not a Liberal who believes father govt knows best.

Republicans have been disappointed with the Feingold campaign finance reformed which diluted our 1st amendment rights. WE are not happy with the expansion of the federal govt under Bush. We support Bush since he better than a Demoncrat but he is not a small govt conservative. More the old big business GOP type. He is right to confront the Islam problem that is increasing and pushing the terror groups.But he still thinking too small.

[Dead Corpse]

I want a smaller government, but I want one that provides sensible and efficient services.

Ok... so how do you get that with a huge, wasteful, bureaucracy? You didn't think that one through very far did you...

[dcwusmc]

"I want a smaller government, but I want one that provides sensible and efficient services."

In other words, you want a federal government that blatantly and openly violates and ignores the Constitution which established it. The Founders explicitly stated which powers it could exercise and that anything that was not SPECIFIED as a power of the federal government was specifically NOT a power of the federal government. Well, guess what? Your dream come true in all its nightmarish glory. FedGov is providing all the unconstitutional and extraconstitutional services your little heart could desire.

Please point out to me the SPECIFIC areas of the constitution which authorize FedGov to have the Education Department, the Labor Department, the FAA, the Transportation and Energy departments, the FBI, even. You must show the exact location in the Constitution where these things are mentioned, because if you don't, then the Tenth Amendment applies and these become illegitimate power grabs on the part of FedGov and must be done away with if ever we are to have a Constitutional Republic once again.

[dcwusmc]

"The problem with (l)ibertarians is that they want to go back to the time when we had a very small federal government."

The very size government our Founders wanted. You have a problem with that?

[roses of sharon]

The problem with Libertarians, as with most on the Right, is that they have failed to educate and produce.

We have not elected enough Libertarians or Conservatives to State gov, much less the Federal Gov.

We have not even tried to defeat the leftwing propaganda machine, ie, the MSM, Hollywood media, and Academia.

Until they are dead, we are dead.

[the OlLine Rebel]

"You know, back when there were no labor laws, no education departments, no FAA, no Dept of Transportation, no FBI..."


Sounds good to me.

After all, how ever did we get to be the huge success we are without them? Hhmmmm.....