Hi sw,
As a point of order, one doesn't just walk along a 65 degree slope. This will be technical ice or rock climbing, rather than the "mountaineering" style you suggest.
Ascent is accomplished by using a belay technique, where one guy is anchored to the slope (the belayor) and the climbers ascend one at a time, with the point (first) climber placing protection points as he goes up. The belayor is the last to go up, being belayed from the top... He collects the protection points as he ascends.
Descent can be accomplished by down-climbing using a belay technique, but is most often completed by rappelling, where one loops the rope behind a sturdy protuberance, and making a controlled descent on the rope. When the last guy is down, simply pulling on one side of the rope or the other will allow the rope to snake down from above.
Traversing is done by a belay technique, with the point climber moving across the slope (placing protection along the way). When the line is sufficiently played out, the point climber sets a second belay point. Those climbers "in the middle" are essentially traversing on a "fixed line". The original belayor then comes across last (belayed by the point), pulling protection.
Climbers are usually on the rope one at a time.
In theory, the belay station is anchored differently than, though adjacent to the belayor... they are on different anchors. While this is the safest way, it isn't always practical. Also, since the belayor is controlling the rope slack, he is in contact with the belay station system anyway.
That all being said, yes, a condition could occur where the "point" and "middle" climber fall at once, and if the belayor is committed to the same anchors as the belay station, it is the belayor's decision to cut the rope, though it is the very last option.
As morbid as it sounds, it is understood, and is a responsibility as well, in order that someone live to tell the tale (for their families sakes).
_Bruce
From Cascadeclimbers.com:
Very close to your scenario, if I understand you.
>>First of all my deep sympathy to the families of these climbers. I myself climbed with Nikko in 2005 and I have been worrying about him and the other climbers since all this began. Today I still hold a glimmer of hope that Nikko and Brian are found.
Without making any judgment on their actions, I have been contemplating an alternate scenario to what has been discussed up until this point. I have tried to stick to facts and not speculation, but without the climber's to tell us what happened we may never know the whole story. Some of the information we get is presented as fact, and later turns out to be inaccurate. I'm sure as time goes by more factual information will surface and perhaps we will know a little more about the decisions that were made and be able to develop a more informed sequence of events.
All this being said, and using information gleaned from this site as well as from the media, here is an alternate scenario...
Is it possible that all 3 climbers were well when they dug the snow cave on the east side of the mountain? Perhaps they could not find their way to the Gates because of the weather or fatigue. Perhaps they chose to dig-in for the night on the east side to be out of the wind. They faired okay through the night. They arose at some point as the weather worsened and thought they still had a window of opportunity to get off the mountain. The wind was too high to go over the top and down the south side. The three felt they still had a chance and so they did not call for help. Instead, wet from the condensation in the cave, and with a developing storm, they began to descend. They would be cold and shivering as the dampness on their bodies froze. They set up an anchor and began the process to rappel down. An accident occurred. Someone slipped. James attempted to stop the fall, but dislocated his shoulder while holding the fall. His attempt at preventing the fall was unsuccessful. With his last energy and with hypothermia developing, he craws back to the cave. Once inside, he uses the last of his energy to make a desperate call for help on his cell phone.
If it is true that he made statements about Nikko flying and Brian gone for help in town, then perhaps with his condition worsening and with his mind unable to accept what he had seen, this was his mind trying to cope with the accident.
This might explain why the other two never called, the dislocated shoulder, the strained comments made by James.
No judgment here, no criticism of these guys, just another scenario for consideration. If I have missed a crucial piece of fact that contradicts this theory, then I apologize. I mean no harm to anyone. Just seeking closure. I welcome the thoughts of other experienced climbers. <<
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