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To: LiberalGunNut
The appearance of the very first living cell is outside of the scope of the Theory of Evolution, plain and simple.

Why? Didn't it evolve from something, like viruses? What about viruses? Are they living or not? What's the transition between viruses and single celled bacteria and if viruses are living, that would be evolution. And if viruses are living they had to evolve from something else. What was that?

81 posted on 12/18/2006 10:19:27 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

(Why? Didn't it evolve from something, like viruses? What about viruses? Are they living or not? What's the transition between viruses and single celled bacteria and if viruses are living, that would be evolution. And if viruses are living they had to evolve from something else. What was that?)

I don't know what you are trying to say, scientists have never said viruses evolved into single celled bacteria. There is a great to debate about whether or not a virus is a living thing. It is a microparticle that can only replicate by attaching itself to a living cell. It doesn't meet the requirements of a living organism. They did not "transition " into bacteria. If anything it is the other way around.

Look, you can keep saying "WHERE DID THIS COME FROM" or "WHERE DID THAT COME FROM" but it won't change the fact that whatever the answer is HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION.

Here is the definition of Evolution (courtesy of Wikipedia):

In biology, evolution is change in the heritable traits of a population over successive generations, as determined by changes in the allele frequencies of genes. Over time, this process can result in speciation, the development of new species from existing ones.

All contemporary organisms on earth are related to each other through common descent, the products of cumulative evolutionary changes over billions of years. Evolution is thus the source of the vast diversity of life on Earth, including the many extinct species attested to in the fossil record

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Notice something? There is NO MENTION OF THE ORIGINS OF LIFE. It doesn't matter. ABIOGENESIS is the area of science that concerns itself with the Origin of Life.

If every single idea in abiogenesis science is debunked, the Theory of Evolution would remained unscathed. Ok, get it now?


98 posted on 12/18/2006 10:44:26 AM PST by LiberalGunNut
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To: metmom

Viruses are pure parasites, unable to live without some sort of cell as a host. This would have to mean that they couldn't have "evolved" from anything, since fully cellular lifeforms would have to "devolve" to become viruses. So either you're looking at devolution, or they formed after more complex lifeforms did. The same goes with prions.


396 posted on 12/19/2006 2:41:06 AM PST by jim35 ("...when the lion and the lamb lie down together, ...we'd better damn sure be the lion")
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