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To: 91B
All you say here is true, but wouldn't we save some if they were all light fighters?

Technically, yes, and I agree with your premise. Here's where that ship has run aground, though.

The idea behind the Army transformation is to create a light, mobile, lethal force. One that will tear apart other conventional military forces fast, accurately, and with minimal casualties. Even in it's semi-transformed state, that's what we saw in 2003 against Saddam's army. The Pentagon wants a force that can do that against anyone. Like, say, China.

Having a large mass of light fighters, against their large mass of light fighters, runs the risk of high casualties. That's why the brass, increasingly gunshy of the media, is averse to the idea.

What we're starting to see is that the enemy doesn't have to lie down and play dead, just because Force XXI shot all of it's tanks from 2 miles away. Our light, lethal, agile force is death incarnate against enemy armor, but it isn't heavy enough to occupy and enforce our will on a resisting populace. That takes boots, and lots of them.

So, cost savings aside, we need more ground pounders, especially of the SOF variety. Not peacekeepers, not warfighters, but surgical instruments of U.S. power. People who can actually accomplish United States foreign policy objectives once major combat operations stop, and the tough work of winning the peace starts.

We never want to lose the 'death incarnate' conventional power. It's the best thing our tax dollars go to, hands down. We just need to add useful components, like the light fighters you mention, to round out our capabilities. Spending three years losing what you won in three weeks is a hard thing to do. It didn't have to be this way.

42 posted on 12/14/2006 7:41:12 PM PST by Steel Wolf (As Ibn Warraq said, "There are moderate Muslims but there is no moderate Islam.")
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To: Steel Wolf
I think a big part of what you are saying is that we need to match the forces we have with appropriate missions. For instance, we were a squadron in an ACR (now we're the brigade RSTA) and in the desert we were given a mostly rural AO with the primary task of regular route clearance on Highway 2. We (and here I'm talking about our regiment) had a very high rate of finding IEDs before they were set off-about 70%, highest in the division AO-because scouts are taught how to do route clearance and it is the kind of task our guys had prepared for for years-I know this becuase the 3rd squadron commander (now the regimental commander) wrote a long article about our performance in our regimental newsletter right before we left theater.

Still I think we might have had a bigger impact on the war effort looking for stuff crossing the border from Iran or Syria. Scouts are taught a lot of counter-infiltration stuff too. OIF III was about 40% guard troops and I couldn't make much sense over how we were deployed, it seemed to me that a lot of units were just plugging holes without much consideration given to their respective strengths.

67 posted on 12/14/2006 8:32:25 PM PST by 91B (God made man, Sam Colt made men equal)
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To: Steel Wolf

Bear in mind we have 400,000 some Iraqi soldiers, with arabic language skills and familiarity with local customs.

We should plan to complement and supplement, not supplant that force.


116 posted on 12/15/2006 2:49:47 PM PST by donmeaker (If the sky don't say "Surrender Dorothy!" then my ex wife is out of town.)
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