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I can tell you those who whine the most in public are most usually those who won't visit the pastor privately, because he might tell them their wrong .. so they go public.

Or, they have met privately, he won't do anything, and they go public, because that's what Matt 18 says to do.

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In my near 60 years, I've seen Mat 18 applied Biblically maybe 2-3 times, if that.

Carping and whining and throwing rocks from a safe distance in public is not Mat 18 confronting and not Mat 18 dialogue.

I admit that many leaders are loathe to cooperate with Mat 18. God will deal with them.

Rick Joyner rightly says, I think, that without a cloak of humility in these last days, the enemy will pick the individual off far earlier than was fitting.