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Rick Warren critics over OBAMA told to leave the church...
TownHall ^ | 12.14.2006 | Kevin McCullough

Posted on 12/14/2006 11:48:10 AM PST by jodiluvshoes

Members of the congregation at Saddleback Church, the church led by Rick Warren, are evidently being ushered right out of membership for voicing any concern over the idea of Barack Obama being allowed to speak at the church recently.

I received a lengthy letter from a member of Saddleback this morning that confirmed as much:

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: churchpurge; iraqosama; obama; phonies; purposedrivenevil; purposedrivenpurge; rickstalin; rickwarren; saddleback; televangelists; tvpreachers; warren
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To: ark_girl
There are non-demoninational churches of a whole lot of different sizes and creeds. In the end, we *should* all be playing on the same team, though. Baptist, Methodist, Catholic, whatever. We all serve the same Master. We just do it in different ways and don't always agree on some of the details...

Many churches make it up as they go along. They think they know better than God. Member churches of the National Council of Churches particularly come to mind. They promote homosexuality and abortion and are socialists and defenders of the Democrat party. Too bad the people sitting in the pews don't know what's going on.

281 posted on 12/16/2006 5:37:09 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: jodiluvshoes; All
THE ABSURDITY OF HILLARY
(What the media and Dick Morris aren't telling us about Obama-clinton numbers.)




282 posted on 12/16/2006 5:37:39 AM PST by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: TXBubba
There is Evangelical Lutheran Church in American and there is Lutheran Church Missouri Synod.

We are FORMER ELCA, now happily LCMS. There is a world of difference.

283 posted on 12/16/2006 5:45:55 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Eva

Well that sounds pretty typical!


284 posted on 12/16/2006 6:35:51 AM PST by Terriergal (All your church are belong to us! --- The Purpose Driven Church)
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To: Eva

weird


285 posted on 12/16/2006 6:36:35 AM PST by Terriergal (All your church are belong to us! --- The Purpose Driven Church)
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To: Sender

ok. (It's also telling that he 'rediscovered faith' in a United Church of Christ, ostensibly THE most liberal denomination out there.


286 posted on 12/16/2006 6:41:34 AM PST by Terriergal (All your church are belong to us! --- The Purpose Driven Church)
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To: bitty

AWESOME. I could listen to Macarthur's teaching for a long time....


287 posted on 12/16/2006 6:42:17 AM PST by Terriergal (All your church are belong to us! --- The Purpose Driven Church)
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To: NotJustAnotherPrettyFace

He posted a public version of the sermon where he'd showed the Syria video, and it's obviously a response to critics from the pulpit.

http://saddlebackfamily.com/MediaCenter/Media.aspx?site=tcPuWkI2bus=&s=ZWEwQhXMWuo

He posted it because he and Kay were SOOOOOO worried... I mean er... felt SOOO strongly about this issue (according to email received by members). There is an edit right there where he would have shown the video, and he never mentions the countries names in the intro before the edit. But in the members' version, (which I saved, because I fully expect THAT to change/get deleted also) he DOES show the video, and does mention the names. Syria specifically.

To me this is just bizarre. How did he expect this lie not to get exposed when he goes ahead and shows the video?

Tne only conclusion I can come to is that he must think everyone's stupid!


288 posted on 12/16/2006 6:43:27 AM PST by Terriergal (All your church are belong to us! --- The Purpose Driven Church)
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To: CyberAnt

One caveat, though I much agree with you . . .

I believe we all have not only the right but the RESPONSIBILITY, DUTY, OBLIGATION, DEMAND of God that WHEN & IF we observe a brother in the ditch or even clearly headed for the ditch, we go to them.

It does seem to be complicated in large organizations. How can dozens go to a busy leader. And, God did seem to establish a bit of a hierarchy with Moses.

However, Christ leveled the playing field. imho, No leader has a right to be protected from input and feedback by a hierarchy. No leader has a right to avoid responding to legitimate feedback.

There's another bit of a problem with that, however. Kenneth Hagin was a firm believer and convinced that God instructed him not to say a word in reply--that God would be his defense. Many have followed that teaching. Who am I to go against God on that score. IF God says such, OK with me. But generally, I don't believe that God instructs leaders to avoid responding to legitimate feedback. I can agree with it when it's whining of malcontents--of which there seem to be no end in Christendom.

That will change somewhat when the earth starts swallowing them up a la Moses, again.

Much appreciate your persistent wisdom hereon, CyberAnt.


289 posted on 12/16/2006 6:59:14 AM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: mjaneangels@aolcom

LOL. Love it.


290 posted on 12/16/2006 7:01:15 AM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: mariabush

I understand what you are saying. I just know for a fact that it happens. There are some trouble makers that move from church to church, and they need to be exposed. No hypocrisy involved at all.

= = =

Quite true. Much agree.

AND

There are pastors who label anyone who disagrees even slightly over even minor things--as a trouble maker--no matter now anointed the person's feedback is.


291 posted on 12/16/2006 7:02:40 AM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: Mia T

Thanks Mia.

Sooooooo Important.


292 posted on 12/16/2006 7:04:17 AM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

We are FORMER ELCA, now happily LCMS. There is a world of difference.

= = =

And then . . . for the very obsessive compulsive, narrow, rigid, sanctimonious and prissy . . . there's WELS.


293 posted on 12/16/2006 7:05:46 AM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: Terriergal

He' good on a few things and off the wall on some others, imho.

God will deal with such in His time.


294 posted on 12/16/2006 7:06:40 AM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: NotJustAnotherPrettyFace

Such a double standard so long supported is exceedingly outrageous.

But it will get worse as the one world religion is trumped up and demanded of all.


295 posted on 12/16/2006 7:08:46 AM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: jodiluvshoes


Power Corrupts.


296 posted on 12/16/2006 7:10:02 AM PST by SoCal_Republican
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To: Quix

thanx, Quix :)


297 posted on 12/16/2006 8:03:15 AM PST by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: Quix

No WELS around here.


298 posted on 12/16/2006 8:13:10 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

They are mostly precious wonderful people who love God and even each other.

But the hierarchy and some of the doctrines are . . . durn near hopeless.


299 posted on 12/16/2006 8:20:03 AM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: Quix
that perspective contains major portions of hogwash and wholesale narrow bias

That perspective is based on first hand observation and a careful studying of Acts and the Pauline Letters to determine what a church and individual christians were like. Please note that the church mattered enough then to seize control of the world's major empire at the time without lifting one hand in anger. If you don't like my "biases", you may want to check your own.

I will admit to having pretty darned narrow biases -- God's Word does not leave much wiggle room and sets a pretty clear standard for personal and corporate conduct. As for being "hogwash"; why is it that so few of these huge churches seem to have much of an effect on their communities or a majority of their attendees? The phrase that comes to mind with these outfits is "whitened sepulcures".

I will stack the per capita mission and unpaid ministry participation, donating to foreign ministry, and evangelism efforts of my 150 adult member church against ANY mega church in the country. And yet even my church is not perfect -- after all, they let me go there, be a covenant partner, and participate in ministry.

300 posted on 12/16/2006 10:17:52 AM PST by L,TOWM (Liberals, The Other White Meat [This is some nasty...])
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