Abraham and Sarah didn't have any children. So Sarah decided to 'help' God and had Abraham take Hagar. So they both have children.
From Sarah's stupid idea came the Arabs.
Sarah dies.
Then Abrahan marries Keturah-AFTER Sarah is dead.
Saying polygamy is biblical is true, doesn't mean it was sanctioned by God. Using that method of thinking slavery and stonings, etc. is biblical too.
>>Because I "like" a translation does not make me intellectually dishonest;
Nope, it’s what you did after that. (Using a non standard translation to try to prove a point, and rejecting references to the original text) That was intellectually dishonest.
>>that is a figure of speech that DelphiUser seized upon apparently to unleash pride about his Greek translation skillz.
BTW, I have no Greek translation skills, however, I can read English (most of the time).
>>Do not be so quick to judge a FReeper of whom you have no real knowledge,
I honestly could not pick you out of a line up that is true. I dare say, you couldn’t pick me out either (I’ll be the one picking my nose on the end).
I do have analytical skills, less so social graces though.
>>nor to dismiss the power of the Holy Spirit in prayer and revelation to persons who
>>pray daily to be Spirit-led and who study several responsible translations that have all
>>gone back to the original Greek and Hebrew for their source material.
Sorry, Prayer and spirit, while highly recommended are not good debate points.
You never mentioned going back to the original Greek, and even inferred that it was irrelevant. Are you now admitting that the translation could have just as easily been the husband of at least one wife?
>>You two seem eager to use corollary "evidence" of ancient practices to justify polygamy rather than the plain words of Jesus.
Syllogism (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Syllogism)
God Does not change.
God specifically approved of Abraham, Jacob, and David before Bathsheba (all polygamists).
God does not have problem with Polygamy.
>>I hope for your sakes He finds your justifications pleasing.
I am quite sure he understands logic, having invented it.
>>I must say I am not impressed by them.
People are seldom impressed by that which they do not understand (it was just too tempting, sorry)
My logic is the dispassionate reasoning of one whose faith, emotion, relationships will not be affected either way by the outcome. God is still god, he never changes, only our perception / understanding of him changes. I am not going to get married to a second wife even if they repealed the law against it tomorrow.
Go with God.
>>Abraham and Sarah didn't have any children.
Cue Jeopardy Music,
Answer: The mother of Isaac, First wife of Abraham Matriarch of all the tribes of Israel.
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Question: Who is Sara in the bible?
>>Then Abraham marries Keturah-AFTER Sarah is dead.
Yep, and then had Concubines…
Gen 25:1 THEN again Abraham took a wife, and her name was Keturah.
Gen 1:5 And Abraham gave all that he had unto Isaac.
Gen 1:6 But unto the sons of the concubines, which Abraham had, Abraham gave gifts, and sent them away from Isaac his son, while he yet lived, eastward, unto the east country.
>>Saying polygamy is biblical is true, doesn't mean it was sanctioned by God. Using that method of thinking slavery and stonings, etc. is biblical too.
God never said Slavers were good. Stonings, you mean in the Law of Moses?
Gods said these specific polygamists were good while they were married to more than one wife. For me that ends the discussion of whether or not it is a sin.
Legal? That’s a secular Issue, but nope.
Smart? (Not in my book)
Easy? (Not on your life)
You guys just don’t get it, polygamy is Biblical, not condemned in either the old or new testament, and is approved of (by God calling some of the most important patriarchs righteous while they were married to more than one woman). So it is not a sin.
Nice try.