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65 years later, his questions linger (saw Japanese fleet before Pearl Harbor)
The Gazette ^ | 12/06/06 | Ed Sealover

Posted on 12/07/2006 5:45:29 PM PST by loreldan

Around this time every year, Joe Fenton’s mind wanders back to the preview he had of the destruction that would be unleashed on Pearl Harbor.

Just 17 years old and six months removed from boot camp, Fenton was an oiler on the USS Boise as it escorted five merchant ships carrying air base construction materials across the Pacific to the Philippines. After midnight on the morning of Nov. 28, 1941, the light cruiser’s loudspeakers blared with orders for crew members to man their battle stations.

Fenton scrambled to the deck and saw two dozen ships of unknown origin about 3 miles away on the horizon, heading east. They were

silhouetted by moonlight that would have blinded the fleet to the Boise’s presence.

Greatly outnumbered and under orders to maintain radio silence, the Boise did not fire and did not alert anyone for days to what it had seen.

When the Boise reached Manila, officers alerted members of Gen. Douglas Mac-Arthur’s staff of their find, Fenton said. Their reaction, as he recalled, was: “They’ve got as much right to be in the water as we do.”

It was only when word came down Dec. 7 about the Pearl Harbor attack that Fenton and his shipmates realized they had seen the fleet that brought America into World War II. While the Boise hid by a remote Pacific island after the attack and awaited orders, talk buzzed about what its crew could have done.

That conversation has dimmed today; most crew members have passed away. But Fenton, a retired Colorado Springs plumbing company owner, replays the talk to himself.

“I always think that perhaps we could have prevented the whole thing . . . if we had got the alarm off,” the 82-year-old said last week in his kitchen. “I always think: ‘Maybe I could have prevented this.’ I get real sad about it.”

But he said that thought is followed quickly by the realization that if the Boise had made any move that could have alerted the Japanese it had seen them, the fleet would bombarded it into the pages of history.

“I think the whole picture of World War II would have changed if we had just gotten a radio off,” he added. “But it would have cost my life.”

Memorial events across the country will mark the 65th anniversary today of the early morning raid that killed about 2,500 Americans. Some people will head to Hawaii to honor the occasion; others will gather at local monuments.

Fenton will be in Colorado Springs, surrounded by newspaper clips and medals that mark his Navy service and, later, the Army. His thoughts, though, will be on what he saw in the middle of the ocean.

No one present forgot that moment, which has been little recorded in history. Melvin Howard, a former crewman and current Philadelphia resident who once chaired reunions for the Boise, remembered that everyone on the ship was ready to fire if ordered.

“We never got the word to fire,” Howard said. “And it’s a good thing we didn’t, because they would have blown us out of the water.”

Once America entered the war, the Boise made 14 landings in the Pacific and in Europe, fought in the Battle of Guadalcanal and served as a scout vessel before the famed Doolittle Raid on Tokyo.

The Boise earned its greatest accolades by sinking six Japanese ships in 27 minutes off Cape Esperance in 1942. Despite a shell crashing through a part of the ship in which he was working, Fenton, who fed oil into boilers and later was a ship engineer, remembers staying calm.

His mother, who raised him in Denver, saved newspaper articles about the ship and gave them to him in a scrapbook when he returned. Fenton also kept a diary during his service, and he typed it up in recent years to preserve it.

“Did not know what was going on, we were not at war, the ships all stopped and our gun turrets all trained to our port side,” he wrote of the November 1941 sighting. “That makes you wish you had gone to the bathroom a little earlier.”

After being transferred to the Army and serving a short stint in Asia during the Korean War, Fenton started a business in Colorado Springs. He ran Fenton Plumbing and Heating until retirement in 1982, when he passed the company on to his son.

He stops there for coffee every once in a while, and he carves wood figures for his family and friends. Twice widowed, the decorated veteran spends every Friday night dining and dancing at the Veterans of Foreign Wars post with his girlfriend.

Late 1941 is not that far away, though. Any mention of Pearl Harbor sparks thoughts of that day, and any thought about what he saw leads him to think even more about what could have occurred.

“They made no hostile moves to us,” Fenton said. “It was like two strangers passing in the night. We weren’t going to initiate the firing. There was no way we could have survived that.”


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To: Ramius
Here's the map of the track of Kido Butai:
Sailed on November 26, and note the position given on Nov. 30 - this supposed sighting by Boise was Nov. 28 - the Phillipines are a considerable distance off the SW portion of the map. The Boise was never remotely near any Japanese fleet on November 28. It was initially claimed that 6 Japanese ships were sunk in the Battle of Cape Esperance - like most claims, turned out to be exaggerated once it could be evaluated after the war. It was only two Japanese ships.
41 posted on 12/07/2006 7:44:13 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: Strategerist; Ramius
Was the convoy that the Boise was protecting coming from Hawaii, or the West Coast?

Also, I just posted an article (a section, really) in the NYT regarding the rebulding of Pearl Harbor after the attack - http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1750211/posts

42 posted on 12/07/2006 8:09:51 PM PST by Ready4Freddy ("Everyone knows there's a difference between Muslims and terrorists. No one knows what it is, tho...)
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To: loreldan
Sorry, nice tale, but I don't believe it. The Japanese fleet was in the north Pacific and way north of Hawaii. This old salts ships would of at least been one to two thousand miles south, or more. The Pacific is huge, even now.


Notice that on November 28th, the Japanese fleet would of been only two days out of Japan. What was the American ships doing off the coast of Japan, and five thousand miles north of the Philippines?

43 posted on 12/07/2006 8:21:59 PM PST by Leisler
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To: Ready4Freddy

I haven't been able to determine whether Boise was coming from Hawaii or the West Coast.

Doesn't matter - either way, it wouldn't have been anywhere near Kido Butai on November 28.


44 posted on 12/07/2006 8:30:44 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: Sam Cree; Ramius
Yup, interesting.

Lest we forget, however, the Japanese had this thing called the Combined Fleet of which the "Striking Force" was just one element.

Other elements supported their thrust south against the Dutch and English, where in fact the attack against Malaya took place prior to Pearl Harbor by approximately one hour.

So CL BOISE liking saw those southern elements - troop carries included.

45 posted on 12/08/2006 2:58:24 AM PST by jamaksin
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To: gaijin; Strategerist
Small place call "Hitokappau Wan" (wan is bay in Japanese, or sometimes seen as Tankan Bay) located at approximately 45N, 147E. Or today, Iturup Island (Etorofu) as it is in Russian hands.

An often mentioned comment, from the US Army Pearl Harbor Hearings, to paraphrase is: " ... War Department G-2 advised COS on 26 November that the ONI reported a concentration of units of the Japanese fleet at an unknown port ready for offensive action. ..."

Also, it is very well known that the US Navy knew this location in some detail, as they provided logistical support there at an earlier time.

46 posted on 12/08/2006 3:25:00 AM PST by jamaksin
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten; 75thOVI; Adrastus; A message; AZamericonnie; ACelt; AzSteven; bcsco; ...
Pearl Harbor ping


47 posted on 12/08/2006 4:08:32 PM PST by indcons (Think)
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To: loreldan
Why would a convoy of ships heading to the Philippines be traversing the NORTHERN Pacific, and be within 2 days sail of Japan?

Nagumo's fleet left Hippotoku Bay on November 26th [two days before the sighting in the article]. That fleet consisted of approximately 33 ships, including 6 carriers, and two battleships. They traveled across the northern Pacific top avoid normal shipping lanes. From what I recall reading, the weather for much of the trip sucked.

Perhaps the gentleman saw a Japanese task force heading for, say, Malaya. I seriously doubt he saw the Pearl Harbor Strike Force. And considering his MOS, why would they transfer him from the Navy to the Army in Korea?
48 posted on 12/08/2006 4:28:42 PM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: Strategerist

49 posted on 12/08/2006 4:47:33 PM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep
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To: gaijin
NOT the Americans, who were on a routine patrol.

I don't know that you can describe any activity during that time-frame as routine. Don't forget there had been a lot of activity associated with reinforcing certain island outposts. (This is the reason the US carriers were not at Pearl during the attack.) We wouldn't have wanted the Japanese listening-in on supply movements.

You also have to remember that the Battle Fleet that was struck on 12/7/41 had just returned from maneuvers. The US Navy was getting ready for action.

Most expected the war to start in the Philippines. War Plan Orange called for the US Fleet to sail to the relief of McArthur's forces on Luzon. The US Fleet was preparing for that.

A more mundane reason would be the value of the vessels that Boise was escorting. A fleet oiler is a pretty important vessel, and as such is considered a high-value target.

50 posted on 12/08/2006 5:46:15 PM PST by Tallguy
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To: norton

I think the Japanese fleet would have bugged-out if discovered at that early stage. Carriers, it was assumed, were very vulnerable to land-based aviation. If the Japanese assault force had continued to sail toward Pearl, they would have risked a result similar to what had happened later at Midway (since theoretically they would have come within range of Pearl's aircraft before they could have gotten with range to launch their own.)


51 posted on 12/08/2006 5:51:33 PM PST by Tallguy
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To: Ready4Freddy
All but Oklahoma, which capsized, and of course Arizona.
52 posted on 12/08/2006 6:05:48 PM PST by Tallguy
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"The Boise earned its greatest accolades by sinking six Japanese ships in 27 minutes off Cape Esperance in 1942. Despite a shell crashing through a part of the ship in which he was working, Fenton, who fed oil into boilers and later was a ship engineer, remembers staying calm."

Nice job.


53 posted on 12/08/2006 6:08:57 PM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Thursday, November 16, 2006 https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Strategerist
the Boise was only one of many American ships at the battle.

...and the Boise was almost sunk in that battle. The article also didn't mention that the reason the Boise didn't participate in the early part of the war was that she'd run aground.

54 posted on 12/08/2006 6:29:59 PM PST by ArmstedFragg
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To: loreldan

Interesting footnote to history.


55 posted on 12/08/2006 8:30:49 PM PST by Ciexyz (Satisfied owner of a 2007 Toyota Corolla.)
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To: All

Wow, an amazing living history account.

It makes you wonder, in that huge world wide war, how many interesting things happened that we'll never hear about.


56 posted on 12/08/2006 8:40:59 PM PST by rbmillerjr
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To: PzLdr

Interesting story here:
http://alumni.weber.edu/WSU%20Vista%20spring%202003.pdf
..from a guy who was also aboard the Boise, and remembers the sighting as happening just a few days before the 7th, and also remembers them radioing the information.

On the 28th, the Boise was ten days out of Pearl, en route to Manila. It arrived in Manila 7 days later. Looking at the chart of the attack group, that would have been one heck of a side-trip. So, I'm thinking your surmise about seeing the Japanese ships heading for Malaya or some such is probably correct. The navy got an intelligence report on the 5th from a Brit who'd seen the main invasion fleet sail, so I'd figure there was a lot of action in the South Pacific around that time.


57 posted on 12/08/2006 8:59:02 PM PST by ArmstedFragg
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To: PzLdr

...and here's another tale second hand from a Boise shipmate about them seeing a Japanese aircraft, not ships.

http://www.navyhistory.com/stories/Boise.html

If this story had been around a hundred years earlier, it'd probably have made it into Charles Mackay's book.


58 posted on 12/08/2006 9:04:13 PM PST by ArmstedFragg
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To: Tallguy
P36 and P40's wouldn't pose a threat.
IIRC we only had a hand full of B17's in the Pacific at that time.
I'm pretty sure the Japanese knew those numbers at least within a couple of days accuracy.

What they apparently did not know about was the training schedule for US Carriers, they expected to find them in Pearl as well as the Battleships (?).

Given the level of US proficiency in both aerial sea patrols and bombing (as with B17's) at that time, I don't think they had much to worry about.

On the other hand, they didn't launch the knock out last wave of attack aircraft on Pearl, turned home instead. Maybe there was a lack of confidence that could have turned them back because of a one cruiser encounter.

Remember that Doolittle launched despite just such an early trip wire.

PS: USS Nevada remains one of my all time top ten heroes; do your damnedest to go forth and confront the enemy.

59 posted on 12/08/2006 10:19:00 PM PST by norton
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To: loreldan

The bottom line in this is that then, as now, we were (are) not aware of the new rules until the other guy demonstrates them to us.


60 posted on 12/08/2006 10:22:42 PM PST by norton
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