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To: Mrs. Don-o

How can you believe in the Immaculate Conception and still believe that Mary was human? This makes no sense.

Humans have free will and humans will always choose sin at some point in their life. Jesus was different. He was true man, but he was also true God.

If God was able to create a true human being that he knew wouldn't sin, then why did he create Adam to sin?

If Mary never sinned in her life, she HAS to be more than or other than human. Either that or the garden of eden was rigged.


384 posted on 12/09/2006 7:26:19 PM PST by Tao Yin
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To: Tao Yin
How can you believe in the Immaculate Conception and still believe that Mary was human? This makes no sense.

Of course Mary was human. Just as human as Adam and Eve were, before their disobedience to God. They, as you say, had "free will," which means that they could choose to sin or not to sin: this is what "free" means. They chose to sin.

Mary, like Adam and Eve, was free from sin at the beginning of her existence. In other words, she had an un-marred human nature, just as Adam and Eve did in Eden. That doesn't make her a goddess. It makes her a normal human being... or the way all humans would have been, were it not for the heritable flaws we got from our First Parents.

If God was able to create a true human being that he knew wouldn't sin, then why did he create Adam to sin?

What are you talking anout? God didn't "create Adam to sin." He created Adam to be obedient and happy and free, and have a wonderful life in Paradise. Adam chose to sin. Cf. free will, above.

Adam and Eve started off with a perfect human nature, but chose disobedience. Mary started off with a perfect human nature, but chose obedience. And that's what made all the difference.

385 posted on 12/10/2006 6:13:35 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (He who is mighty has done great things for me; and holy is His Name.)
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To: Tao Yin
How can you believe in the Immaculate Conception and still believe that Mary was human? This makes no sense.

Of course Mary was human. Just as human as Adam and Eve were, before their disobedience to God. They, as you say, had "free will," which means that they could choose to sin or not to sin: this is what "free" means. They chose to sin.

Mary, like Adam and Eve, was free from sin at the beginning of her existence. In other words, she had an un-marred human nature, just as Adam and Eve did in Eden. That doesn't make her a goddess. It makes her a normal human being... or the way all humans would have been, were it not for the heritable flaws we got from our First Parents.

If God was able to create a true human being that he knew wouldn't sin, then why did he create Adam to sin?

What are you talking anout? God didn't "create Adam to sin." He created Adam to be obedient and happy and free, and have a wonderful life in Paradise. Adam chose to sin. Cf. free will, above.

Adam and Eve started off with a perfect human nature, but chose disobedience. Mary started off with a perfect human nature, but chose obedience. And that's what made all the difference.

386 posted on 12/10/2006 6:13:37 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (He who is mighty has done great things for me; and holy is His Name.)
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