[what's up]

Thanks for listing all those commentators. I wonder if you would agree with what they say when they would speak against the veneration of saints or perhaps the authority of the scripture above man's word. LOL.

Yes, I would like to talk to a Greek scholar as well. A conviction of what the Greek says there certainly be extremely helpful. The preponderance of English versions as well as a cursory glance at the Greek seem to certainly allow for God as the foundation.

Certainly the scripture is self-interpreting on the issue of the sinfulness of mankind which was my original point. The idea of the sinfulness of all (excepting Christ) is consistent throughout the Bible.

[Mrs. Don-o]

I'll be out today. Try to get back to you tomorrow.

No, of course, I wouldn't agree with all those Protestant commentators if they disagreed with what the Church teaches. I just cited them to show that the idea of reading the appositive as referring to the word "Church."is a lot more widespread than just within Catholicism.

Googling around like that also illustrates another important point: that there is commonly a lot of disagreement amongst guys like this about doctrine, which is why I usually go first to a reliable, coherent, and internally consistent source of interpretation, i.e. the Catechism.

I'm out to an all-day Shape-Note Singing!~