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To: what's up
OK, I went to Bible Gateway.com and looked it up in multiple translations. All Protestant, by the way. Here's what I found:

...which is the church of the living God, the pillar and support of the truth. (New American Standard Bible)

...which is the church of the living God, the pillar and stay (the prop and support) of the Truth. (Amplified Bible)

...which is the church of the living God, a pillar and buttress of truth. (English Standard Version)

... After all, the church of the living God is the strong foundation of truth.(Contemporary English Version)

... which is the house of the living God. The church holds up the truth. (New Life Version)

Every Christian agrees that God is the Truth. ("I am the Way, the Truth and the Life.") But who or what supports the Truth? As you can see, all these translations refer to the the Church as the stay, prop, support, or buttress of the Truth.

I categorically deny that the Church has made doctrinal errors. Christ has promised that the gates of hell would not prevail against it.

362 posted on 12/08/2006 4:49:51 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Jesus, my Lord, my God, my All.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
I categorically deny that the Church has made doctrinal errors. Christ has promised that the gates of hell would not prevail against it

Oops. There's the crux of the problem.

Certainly the gates of hell won't prevail against the church. Obviously, the church will stand until the end of time.

But there are errors made every single day all over the world in the church and always will be, no matter how strongly you deny it. Thanks for looking up all those translations. Your first 3 versions support the interpretation I put forth of the verse in Timothy...that God is the foundation of truth.

I wouldn't trust the more modern versions for as much accuracy (such as New Life) since their emphasis is on readability perhaps more than strict accuracy. A Catholic Bible I looked at supported my interpretation as well.

363 posted on 12/08/2006 5:22:46 PM PST by what's up
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To: Mrs. Don-o; what's up

Some versus are confusing and that's why it's a good thing to have multiple versus that agree.

Take Luke 6:47,48 for example...
47 Everyone who comes to me and hears my words and does them, I will show you what he is like: 48 he is like a man building a house, who dug deep and laid the foundation on the rock. And when a flood arose, the stream broke against that house and could not shake it, because it had been well built.

Peter's confession happens in Luke 9, so the Jesus had already explained what the rock meant.

And again in Ephesians 2: 18-20
18 For through him we both have access in one Spirit to the Father. 19 So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone,

Now please tell me what is the foundation, the rock, and the household of God? Seems pretty clear that neither Peter nor the RCC fit any of the above terms.


364 posted on 12/08/2006 5:36:41 PM PST by Tao Yin
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