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To: paulat
Just thinking out-loud...I think he had the human nature of Adam and Eve...it would make wonderful theological sense. He would put himself in the position of having to make the Ultimate First Decision.

That's what I'm thinking, too. I admit I'm just groping around here, because I don't know the full implications, but it seems to me that that's why St. Paul identifies Jesus as a kind of "second Adam":

Romans 5:14
Adam [is] a type of Him who was to come.

1 Corinthians 15:22
For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive.

1 Corinthians 15:45
So also it is written, "The first Man, Adam, was made a living soul." The last Adam was made a life-giving spirit.

I'm not sure exactly where I'm going with this, but think of this: Jesus has only one human parent -- His mother--- from whom He derived His humanity. He had no human father. So from a genetic point of view, everything human that was heritable, came from her.

She's an XX, and Jesus as a male had to be an XY, so I don't know how that works out. But it seems to follow that if Jesus' human nature was pure and perfect in the creaturely sense --- nothing in his nature or nurture as a human was darkened, weakened, bleared, smeared or disordered --- that tells you something about his mother.

359 posted on 12/08/2006 4:01:20 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Thinking out loud...)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
I love having this discussion with a truly penetrative mind!

This is my idea of fun!

374 posted on 12/09/2006 12:37:03 AM PST by paulat
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To: Mrs. Don-o
She's an XX, and Jesus as a male had to be an XY, so I don't know how that works out. But it seems to follow that if Jesus' human nature was pure and perfect in the creaturely sense --- nothing in his nature or nurture as a human was darkened, weakened, bleared, smeared or disordered --- that tells you something about his mother.

I agree...I think Protestants (chill, folks...I will 'splain) think Catholics take Mary emotionally (which we probably do). But there's an intellectual aspect of figuring this whole relationship out.

What a woman she must have been!!! And she changed His diapers!! The scope of all of this is profound.

I don't know why Protestants seem to be scared of Mary. She is not a God.

But what she accomplished was amazing. She brought forth God into man.

She was pure...she brought forth a pure human...but He was human...He was able to be tempted...He threw hissy-fits (the money-changers at the temple)...He got impatient with people (the wedding at Cana)...he got impatient with the apostles.

More to come, I am still thinking....

376 posted on 12/09/2006 1:03:11 AM PST by paulat
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