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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg; Titanites

However, in the Magnificat, Mary clearly refers to her own Salvation in the present tense. Her Salvation was secure BEFORE the Crucifixion.


321 posted on 12/08/2006 10:03:14 AM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee

Don't know much about "the Magnificant". Clearly, Old Testament believers (Jews and some early non-Jews) had saving faith and Hebrews chapter 11 records it from a post-crucifixion perspective. I don't believe that between His birth and crucifixion that the Lord held a moratorium on saving souls.

Most Biblical scholars believe the faith these OT saints had was one of partial understanding but solid faith in the Messiah yet to be revealed. None of them were worthy of God's grace in and of themselves.

Mary may have been saved as was Abraham or she may have been saved as we are. But either way- she had to have come to realize her sinful nature in light of her understanding of Holy God and trust Him in faith to deliver her from her sin.


338 posted on 12/08/2006 11:56:59 AM PST by Manfred the Wonder Dawg (Test ALL things, hold to that which is True.)
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