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Water Still Flows in Brief Spurts on Mars
NASA ^ | Dec 6, 2006 | NASA

Posted on 12/06/2006 10:43:05 AM PST by Young Werther

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To: NinoFan

It's a shame they can't be that way with politics...


81 posted on 12/06/2006 12:30:52 PM PST by Lucky9teen (Politics, for too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.)
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To: RonF

First off, the original planet with 'life' on it was not Earth (as we know it now). Mars is a leftover of a collision between the original life-bearing planet and a planet from another solar system/galaxy.

Many of the 'dead' moons are also leftover particles as well as most of the asteroid belts. Our moon is one of the leftover particles as well.


82 posted on 12/06/2006 12:32:39 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (It's turtles all the way down.)
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To: TraditionalistMommy

"I have read that 95% of scientists are atheists."

Sounds like nonsense to me. What's your source for this, and what was their source?


83 posted on 12/06/2006 12:32:42 PM PST by RonF
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To: Almondjoy
Not to mention you would have a hard time explaining to me why if there is water on Mars and they find microbe life on it why hasn't anything evolved from that? While life on earth has sprouted into millions of different creatures.

We are talking about different time scales and different conditions. Life on Earth only became multicellular and complex in the last billion years or so. Before then the big evolutionary advances were the formation of various organelles, the formation of the cell nucleus, and the formation of DNA from RNA. The formation of DNA is what allowed single celled organisms to mutate and diversify. But it took a very long time.

On Mars we have a different situation. Life could have existed planetwide from about 3.5 billion years to 3.0 billion years (when the planetary magnetic field failed and the solar wind started stripping the atmosphere eliminating liquid water on the surface). It took almost 2 billion years for DNA to form on the Earth with the ability of organisms to survive around the planet. Mars had about half a billion years before the planet froze over. If life existed on Mars it does so in very small isolated quantities where liquid water can be found.

84 posted on 12/06/2006 12:37:58 PM PST by burzum (Despair not! I shall inspire you by charging blindly on!--Minsc, BG2)
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To: Young Werther

Margasms.


85 posted on 12/06/2006 12:39:09 PM PST by rock_lobsta (Offending liberals since 1993)
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To: TraditionalistMommy
I have read that up to 95% of scientists are athiests.

Thank you for your comment. Now if you could just find that pesky thing called a reference to back it up. Rumor mongering is not particularly helpful in discussions here on science.

86 posted on 12/06/2006 12:39:53 PM PST by burzum (Despair not! I shall inspire you by charging blindly on!--Minsc, BG2)
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To: UCANSEE2

There is a theory that the Moon is a result of a collision between proto-Earth and a Mars-sized body, with the Moon having coalesced from the debris that was knocked off of the proto-Earth but did not escape from the Earth's gravitational field. This was supposed to have happened before life came into being on the Earth, which would mean that the Earth is, in fact, where life first came into being. I've seen nothing that says that the colliding body came from outside the Solar System or that it was extra-galactic. Where is your source for what you are saying?


87 posted on 12/06/2006 12:41:34 PM PST by RonF
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To: Smokin' Joe

That's the point I was making - I was offering a dangerous interpretation of the meaning of an ET life discovery. That's why I fear the push of so many faithful people to "demonize" science - they end up turning people of science away from faith. Put a different way, they are not hiding the candle, they're saying if you believe X, you can't see the candle.


88 posted on 12/06/2006 12:42:14 PM PST by Liberty Tree Surgeon (Mow your own lawn!)
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To: TraditionalistMommy

I seriously doubt that. And just as seriously, you should not find any place you read that to be credible.


89 posted on 12/06/2006 12:48:31 PM PST by Liberty Tree Surgeon (Mow your own lawn!)
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To: TraditionalistMommy
Uh ... since God created everything including the 'stuff' that resulted in the Big Bang, why couldn't there be life everywhere in HIS universe??
90 posted on 12/06/2006 12:55:39 PM PST by Condor51 (Tagline Under Construction - Kindly Wear Your Hardhat)
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To: RonF
There's no particular reason that I can see to assume that the Lord would place stories about the creation of other planets and of life on them in Genesis.

No, He would give them their own version of Genesis.

91 posted on 12/06/2006 1:03:27 PM PST by green iguana
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To: Young Werther

All the more reason for us to speed up NASA's plan to go to Mars by 2030. Get the VSE out of the way and just GO! Continue building Ares, but finance the shuttle to keep flying , build 2 more and bring the fleet up to 5 (with new tech of course). That way there's two launch architectures available, convert the shuttle to an ISS cargo/passenger vehicle and to keep Hubble operational. Use the new tech Orion/Ares to stretch out and explore the moon and Mars.


92 posted on 12/06/2006 1:07:21 PM PST by AntiKev ("No damage. The world's still turning isn't it?" - Stereo Goes Stellar - Blow Me A Holloway)
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To: AntiKev

If the idea is to get us out there and doing commerce, the Treaty needs to be repealed. It would then happen so fast that NASA would wonder where everybody went.


93 posted on 12/06/2006 1:09:33 PM PST by RightWhale (RTRA DLQS GSCW)
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To: TraditionalistMommy
I have read that up to 95% of scientists are athiests.

"Up to"...lol. Sounds like you're a big Dawkins fan.

I take it you don't interact with many scientists on a day-to-day basis.


"There are as many [by percentage] atheistic truck drivers as atheistic scientists." --Dick Bube, PhD; Professor Emeritus of Materials Science and Electrical Engineering at Stanford University

94 posted on 12/06/2006 1:22:45 PM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Liberty Tree Surgeon

Strange, that. All science has done is give me a true appreciation (and respect!) for the abilities of the Creator.


95 posted on 12/06/2006 1:25:32 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: TraditionalistMommy

How would a sterile wet Mars undermine religion any more than a sterile dry Mars?


96 posted on 12/06/2006 1:28:17 PM PST by jmcenanly (Do not handicap your children by making their lives easy. -- Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: TraditionalistMommy
How many billions or trilions have been spent to convince people not to believe the Bible?

Granted creationists spend loads of money arguing that you have to accede to multiple scientific stupidities if you accept the Bible as scripture, but I doubt it's into the trillions.

97 posted on 12/06/2006 1:29:59 PM PST by Stultis
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To: Stultis

WOW !!!!

BIG NEWS !!!!!

WATER ON MARS !!!!!!

oh ... wait ... sorry

it's just where that lost european piece of crap skidded to a stop


98 posted on 12/06/2006 1:36:20 PM PST by daku ("Behold this creature that walks like a man. It wants ketchup on its hot dog.")
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To: Gondring

Thats not a spring. Thats where a Martian took a whiz.


99 posted on 12/06/2006 1:48:52 PM PST by rahbert
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To: burzum

But you realize we are talking about evolution here.. and evolution conqueors all....


100 posted on 12/06/2006 1:50:04 PM PST by Almondjoy
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