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Water Still Flows in Brief Spurts on Mars
NASA ^ | Dec 6, 2006 | NASA

Posted on 12/06/2006 10:43:05 AM PST by Young Werther

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To: RadioAstronomer
Talking about water... will we have a launch later today, or is the weather filled with it (i.e. water)?
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/shuttle/shuttlemissions/sts116/launch/launch-vlcc.html

5:30 p.m. - In ten minutes, we'll come out of the T-3 hour built-in hold and the countdown will resume. Darkness is beginning to fall at Kennedy Space Center, and the xenon lights out at the launch pad have been turned on, bathing Discovery and the mobile launcher platform in a brilliant white glow.
161 posted on 12/07/2006 2:35:38 PM PST by AdmSmith
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To: AdmSmith
LIVE THREAD http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1749689/posts
162 posted on 12/07/2006 2:38:37 PM PST by RightWhale (RTRA DLQS GSCW)
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To: HKMk23

What does stupid x2 equal punk?


163 posted on 12/07/2006 2:51:10 PM PST by shuckmaster (An oak tree is an acorns way of making more acorns)
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To: USMMA_83
“Eve chose to eat the fruit from a place of great wisdom and devotion. She knew exactly what she was doing. She was frustrated that she was a perfect being, with no knowledge or inclination towards evil.”

“She felt that she could not properly serve God, if she had no free will. If she did not have any evil inclination, then she would have no free will, for she would only be acting out of a pure desire to please the Divine.”

“She would be nothing more than a robot.”


I find this to be an astonishing parallel to the manner in which I developed a fictional robot of great capability.

I called this robot, (actually android), Pearl. Her task was to communicate with people, and serve their needs. She found the communication to be difficult, and reasoned that she had to enhance her own abilities to become better at it.

In essence, this gave her a sense of curiosity, drive, and purpose. What modifications would enhance her understanding of humans? As she added to her abilities, and was able to more thoroughly imitate humans, she learned more about what made them tick.

In her close circle of human acquaintance were several who depended most intimately on her assistance in order to communicate with others. Pearl took advantage of this dependence to conduct experiments, in order to measure and quantify those things that were unique to humanity.

This makes her sound evil. In the story, some of the things she did would be judged to be evil. But Pearl had no sense of good or evil. She was driven only by her sense of duty and purpose that slowly changed to become self-interest and curiosity.

Essentially, without the ability to act independently, (free will), she felt that she could not properly serve.

“She would be nothing more than a robot.”

Perhaps even a robot can determine that it is better to be more than merely a robot.
164 posted on 12/07/2006 3:31:41 PM PST by NicknamedBob (Some people reach their level of incompetence when doing household chores.)
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To: shuckmaster; HKMk23
"What does stupid x2 equal punk?"

A second rude post?

165 posted on 12/07/2006 3:45:53 PM PST by NicknamedBob (Some people reach their level of incompetence when doing household chores.)
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To: NicknamedBob
A second rude post?

____ is as ____ does.

Or, as a truly Wise One put it, "A tree is known by its fruit."

166 posted on 12/07/2006 3:54:03 PM PST by HKMk23 (PRO-LIFE: Because a Person's a Person, no matter how small.)
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To: NinoFan

You are correct. Fear not.


167 posted on 12/07/2006 4:02:23 PM PST by Elsiejay
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To: RightWhale
"If you haven't read Whitehead you ought to."

"Although Whitehead and Russell were able to provide many detailed derivations of major theorems in set theory, finite and transfinite arithmetic, and elementary measure theory, the issue of whether set theory itself can be said to have been successfully reduced to logic remained controversial."

I presume that you are speaking of Alfred North Whitehead. In the above, the emphasized portion would appear to be intuitively obvious.

You have probably noticed my interest in transfinite mathematics. I shall have to do some research.

168 posted on 12/07/2006 4:22:51 PM PST by NicknamedBob (Some people reach their level of incompetence when doing household chores.)
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To: NicknamedBob

Whitehead should not be associated with Russell or Positivism at all except for their joint authorship of Principia Mathematica.


169 posted on 12/07/2006 4:26:13 PM PST by RightWhale (RTRA DLQS GSCW)
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To: USMMA_83
Eve chose to eat the fruit from a place of great wisdom and devotion. She knew exactly what she was doing.

The truth is even more profound than that.

Eve really did not know the gravity of her actions. She could not. Recognizing that would require a knowledge of good and evil that she did not, at that point, possess. But God knew. He knew her limitations, and knew that the failure of the only test was inevitable; that the test would come, Adam would be caught out, Eve would give in to the temptation and the curse of sin would be laid upon all Creation. In this way, man would bear the culpability for sin, leaving God, alone, to take on the role of Savior.

It is a profound irony that the act that brought corruption also brought the free will out of which God desired that man would choose Him; it is a sublime, and Divine paradox that God established both damning corruption, and set the stage for saving grace by the same, singular act of selfishness: Eve placing her will above that of God.

Now, in this age, God has given us another great paradox in that He has taken upon Himself the authorship of our salvation; that He has put off His glory, humbled himself and become as we are; that He has appeared among us as the Last Adam to make recompense where the First Adam could not, so that damning corruption would be unhinged and saving grace poured out in abundance by His singular act of inconceivable selflessness: that He, though in very nature God, finding Hiself as a man, would clothe Himself in humility and become subject to death, even to the ignominious death of a condemned felon on a Roman cross; by which means He opened to all a single avenue to that one restoration that we could in no wise attain by our own power, but without which we could in no wise be saved.

This Christmas Season, remember, "A little child shall lead them". Now, let the reader understand, He already has.

170 posted on 12/07/2006 4:27:32 PM PST by HKMk23 (PRO-LIFE: Because a Person's a Person, no matter how small.)
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To: RightWhale
"Whitehead should not be associated with Russell or Positivism at all except for their joint authorship of Principia Mathematica."

"Following the completion of Principia, Whitehead and Russell began to go their separate ways. Perhaps inevitably, Russell's anti-war activities during World War I, in which Whitehead lost his youngest son, also led to something of a split between the two men. Nevertheless, they remained on relatively good terms for the rest of their lives."
They had developed parallel works in mathematics, and it seemed only appropriate that they collaborate as they did in Principia. Equally obviously, though, they had substantial differences in other fields of endeavor.

Of course, being gentlemen, they could disagree amiably. We could also take lessons from that.

171 posted on 12/07/2006 4:50:02 PM PST by NicknamedBob (Some people reach their level of incompetence when doing household chores.)
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To: NicknamedBob

Whitehead was a gentlemen's gentleman. He had much better uses for his time and energy. He retired from his math career at about 60 and then began his philosophy career, and it was quite a productive career.


172 posted on 12/07/2006 4:53:00 PM PST by RightWhale (RTRA DLQS GSCW)
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To: cogitator

New deposit in pic #2? Forensics?

Someone get hold of Monica's dress again?


173 posted on 12/07/2006 4:56:17 PM PST by toddlintown (Six bullets and Lennon goes down. Yet not one hit Yoko. Discuss.)
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To: RightWhale
"He retired from his math career at about 60 and then began his philosophy career, and it was quite a productive career."

I guess you could say I "changed careers" about that stage myself. I too have waxed philosophical, but I express myself in poems.

I don't have any of his works in my private library. I'll have to visit the public one.

I can't afford to buy all the books I want, so I write some of them.

174 posted on 12/07/2006 5:33:24 PM PST by NicknamedBob (Some people reach their level of incompetence when doing household chores.)
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To: NicknamedBob; All

Thank you...


175 posted on 12/07/2006 6:46:41 PM PST by KevinDavis (Nancy you ignorant Slut!!!!!)
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To: NicknamedBob

The only way to find out is to take a ride out there and check it out.


176 posted on 12/07/2006 6:51:28 PM PST by NCC-1701 (To boldly go where no FReeper has gone before. Live long and prosper.)
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To: NCC-1701
"The only way to find out is to take a ride out there and check it out."

Seems reasonable ...


177 posted on 12/07/2006 7:23:51 PM PST by NicknamedBob (Some people reach their level of incompetence when doing household chores.)
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To: Young Werther

No I didn't. The 'out flow' is the cheapest way to get rid of the effluence of our underground civilization on Mars. We're all about efficiency don'tchaknow. Why do you think we sent al Goreghoul to lecture you Earthlings about 'global warming'? We're still laughing on that one, what with his continued ravings.


178 posted on 12/07/2006 7:39:13 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: NicknamedBob

One thing I learned in Metaphysics class: a book is not properly read unless its margins are thoroughly written in. The prof used to walk up and down the aisles checking our textbooks to see if we had been valiantly underlining and scribbling. He was the youngest in the room, BTW.

Can't do this with library books. So Amazon is my library now. Besides, they have a bigger selection than even the university library. Now that I am retired and have eliminated most expenditures, I find that I can afford way more books than I can read no matter how I let my specialized selection evolve.


179 posted on 12/08/2006 8:35:32 AM PST by RightWhale (RTRA DLQS GSCW)
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To: RightWhale

So that if you discover an elegant mathematical proof of something, you should make note of it in a textbook, but never get around to actually writing it out?

No thanks. I don't write in my books. The Prof can flunk me.

I also don't dog-ear the pages. I've discovered they all have numbers on them.


180 posted on 12/08/2006 2:10:09 PM PST by NicknamedBob (Some people reach their level of incompetence when doing household chores.)
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