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Stone Age Revolution: Modern Humans May Have Divided Labor To Conquer
Science News ^ | 11-4-2006 | Bruce Bower

Posted on 12/04/2006 12:38:58 PM PST by blam

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To: ClearCase_guy

Huh? You believe Marx thought up the Division of Labor theory?


21 posted on 12/04/2006 1:14:20 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: wideawake

Just keep in mind that unless you have division of labor, you can't have Marxism or Feminism, defined as one gender or class abusing another. So it's really important.


22 posted on 12/04/2006 1:15:29 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: PetroniusMaximus
Whether the event was God's will or an "accident" makes all the difference in the world.

To religious people it does. I don't really care - either cause is fascinating in it's own way.
23 posted on 12/04/2006 1:15:46 PM PST by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: justshutupandtakeit

Marx didn't invent capitalism, class, or division of labor, but he made good use of all of them.

Plenty of class struggle in ancient Rome and Greece.

It's been persuasively argued that Marx didn't invent anything, he just twisted other people's ideas and stood them on their heads.


24 posted on 12/04/2006 1:17:21 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Lions are sophisticated animals. Females have one role, males have another role. This has been observed for many years.

Tigers are equally sophisticated animals which don't follow these roles, but a different set of roles. Doesn't require a cost-benefit analysis - the environments in which they live in tend to encourage certain roles, as may well have been the case for Neanderthal and early human.
25 posted on 12/04/2006 1:19:24 PM PST by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: blam

did the nenaderthal women - being part of the unisex hunting party - ever brign the kids - you know - to breast feed?

sounds like junk science to me.


26 posted on 12/04/2006 1:20:38 PM PST by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it full of something for you)
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To: Cicero

His belief actually required that capitalism be developed to its maximum extent before socialism was even possible. This theory had to be dropped in order to explain how stages of economic development could be skipped thereby allowing Lenin to make the claim he was "Marxist."


27 posted on 12/04/2006 1:21:48 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit

I didn't say Marx invented the Division of Labor notion, but, as others have pointed out, he made extensive use of it and much of his thinking really hangs on the social differentiation which he said comes from the Division of Labor based on production.


28 posted on 12/04/2006 1:23:57 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (The broken wall, the burning roof and tower. And Agamemnon dead.)
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To: blam
This is far-fetched. The division of labor between genders arose far earlier than that. It has something to do with a different kind of labor. Pun intended.

The inherent biological fact that only females give birth and suckle the young - the latter period lasting several years for humans (Neanderthalis sapiens as well as homo sapiens) - means that human females of child-bearing age did not leave their young children to hunt big game.

So this article's underlying premise is wrong.

29 posted on 12/04/2006 1:23:57 PM PST by Thud
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To: ClearCase_guy

Anyone claiming to understand economics must understand the Division of Labor. It is not a Marxist concept. Adam Smith demonstrated the critical role the DoL plays in a modern economy.

Nor does it play much of a role in Marxian economics. I have no idea where you got that idea. Marx's social differentiation essentially had three components: proletariat, workers and petit bourgeoise and those were determined by the relation to the means of production.


30 posted on 12/04/2006 1:29:48 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: blam

Sounds like BS to me. Neanderthal women and children were almost certainly less-agressive, smaller, and slower than the men, and probably developed the same (obvious) division of labor. They have no evidence to the contrary.


31 posted on 12/04/2006 1:30:01 PM PST by expatpat
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To: justshutupandtakeit

Just so. I remember attending a meeting of the Milton Seminar in 1990, after the fall of the Berlin Wall and the dissolution of the USSR.

This is actually a pretty moderate group, for academia, but of course most are still leftists.

Anyway, I asked the most marxist of them what she made of the whole business. Was it a failure of Communism? She replied that Russia needed to spend the next century developing to a high state of capitalism, and then try it again. They never should have tried to take that shortcut!


32 posted on 12/04/2006 1:46:40 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: blam

"So simple, even a caveman can do it".


33 posted on 12/04/2006 1:59:23 PM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: PetroniusMaximus
Whether the event was God's will or an "accident" makes all the difference in the world.

What's the difference?

If you have a car wreck tonight, was it God's will, or an accident? If you believe God has His hands in everything, then it was Gods will. If you belive otherwise, then it was just an accident. In either case, it happened, and the outcome is the same.

Same with Neaderthals. Whether you believe God did it or it was just an accident, it happened. The outcome was the same. There's no way to tell the difference between the two objectively. The only way to "know" is by your personal faith, which can be anything you want it to be, and so doesn't clear up the question.

34 posted on 12/04/2006 4:25:03 PM PST by narby
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To: Elpasser
Like global warming and evolution, this was nothing but a bandwagon of fools parading as science.

I am a Christian. I believe in God and I believe in Jesus and am certain that everything I have and value, I have because of Him. Including my brain, which can and has read text books and bible verse as well.

Global warming is the territory of liberals. It involves their "religion" of environmentalism, and politicizing science to support the agenda of that religion.

Anti-evolution hysteria is the territory of conservatives. It involves Christianity and politicizing science to support Christian fundamentalists' interpretation of Genesis. Nothing in evolution challenges the Ten Commandments, the Seven Deadly Sins, or the teachings of Christ. Indeed, the tenets of natural selection confirm them. Civilizations that cleave to them, survive and thrive. Civilizations that don't, fall into degeneration and die.

The Devil comes very cleverly disguised, but one thing for sure -- he deals in falsehoods and denial. Christians who, out of pride, deny the evidence of paleontology because atheist paleontologists like Daniel Dennet conclude that it "proves" that God doesn't exist, are being dupes of the Devil. God is love, and He has told us that the truth will set us free. If the truth is that He created a world in which natural selection and evolution are part of His vast plan, I have no problem with it. Evolution doesn't challenge God, it challenges men.

Global warming and anti-evolution are "the bandwagons of fools parading as science."

35 posted on 12/04/2006 4:47:04 PM PST by Finny (God continue to Bless President G.W. Bush with wisdom, popularity, safety and success.)
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To: blam

Yes, humans of all ages took part in hunting. The two-year-olds would try to throw rocks at the mammoths...when the mammoths were rolling on the ground laughing, the grown-up humans would club them to death.


36 posted on 12/04/2006 5:27:13 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
I wholeheartedly agree. a tall glass of the usual, please:
The Neandertal Enigma
by James Shreeve
Frayer's own reading of the record reveals a number of overlooked traits that clearly and specifically link the Neandertals to the Cro-Magnons. One such trait is the shape of the opening of the nerve canal in the lower jaw, a spot where dentists often give a pain-blocking injection. In many Neandertal, the upper portion of the opening is covered by a broad bony ridge, a curious feature also carried by a significant number of Cro-Magnons. But none of the alleged 'ancestors of us all' fossils from Africa have it, and it is extremely rare in modern people outside Europe." [pp 126-127]

37 posted on 12/04/2006 5:34:40 PM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Thursday, November 16, 2006 https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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38 posted on 12/04/2006 5:35:26 PM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Thursday, November 16, 2006 https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: narby
"What's the difference?"

The difference is whether or not we live in a rational, understandable universe created by an intelligent being or whether we live in an giant, anomalous accident where chaos reigns supreme and where all things are equally valueless accidents.



"If you believe God has His hands in everything, then it was Gods will. If you believe otherwise, then it was just an accident."

Our "belief" in anything does not make it so. I might "believe" the moon is made of cheese - that does not make it so. The issue is whether or not there is any objective basis for our belief.


I believe the objective evidence for the existence of a creator God far outweighs the evidence that the universe was an accident.
39 posted on 12/04/2006 5:49:34 PM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: blam

Interesting theory. Is grant money involved?


40 posted on 12/04/2006 9:50:37 PM PST by Dustbunny (The BIBLE - Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth)
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