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To: McGavin999
Why is everyone so worried about the study group? President Bush isn't going to do what they say. He's going to thank them for their wise council and then go ahead and do what he planned to do all along.

That is true BUT what has he planned all along and why wasn't that explained to the American Public instaed of letting the democrats frame the issue
29 posted on 12/03/2006 7:10:34 AM PST by uncbob
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To: uncbob
What you see happening is Iraq is what the plan has been all along. It takes time to change a country from being totally ruled by a despot, where the people are punished for thinking for themselves, to a democracy where the people fully understand that they hold their future in their own hands.

The plan from the beginning was to turn the country over to the people, the problem is, that plan takes time and is a rocky road. I don't think that President Bush expected the media to actually be on the other side, nor did he expect the politicians here in the US to put their success ahead of the country.

As to why he hasn't told us the plan, he has, we just keep expecting things to be resolved faster then they can possibly be resolved. We live in a world of instant gratification and are fighting a war that will require long term resolve.

31 posted on 12/03/2006 7:47:57 AM PST by McGavin999 (Republicans take out our trash, Democrats re-elect theirs)
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To: uncbob; McGavin999
McGavin999: Why is everyone so worried about the study group? President Bush isn't going to do what they say. He's going to thank them for their wise council and then go ahead and do what he planned to do all along.

uncbob:That is true BUT what has he planned all along and why wasn't that explained to the American Public instead of letting the democrats frame the issue

humint: In today's complex communications matrix, grabbing the microphone and keeping an audience's attention is extremely difficult. The expectations of the crowd leave little if any room for leadership. By observation, a free minded citizenry is in fact prone to rejecting authority. My guess as to why we do this – it’s for the sake of building within us a perception of independence. It’s not uncommon for smart people to test the waters of dissent. Some never graduate past that phase of their politics. But what if the logical conclusion of a type of dissent is corrosive to freedom in general? If responsibility is not married to freedom in society, anarchy will ensue. To quell anarchy, the same authority that couldn’t encourage responsibility will have to restrict freedom to protect the society from itself.

If the POTUS and other influential figures continue to feed into this trend without correcting it, the situation is going to get messy. But what if it cannot be corrected? Leadership will never disappear completely. Play the logic out - if a free citizenry collectively concludes that their independence can only be achieved by rejecting authority – for leadership to function, at best it must hide the fact that it is leading – at worst, it must be deceptive. To make progress on the economy or national security the POTUS will have to develop a strategy for success and then commit to the exact opposite strategy. In so doing, the public will predictably reject it and independently conclude that the secret strategy of the POTUS is the correct one.

It's something to think about, but not too hard. I'm no conspiracy theorist, so I'll stop here.

36 posted on 12/03/2006 10:18:49 AM PST by humint (...err the least and endure! --- VDH)
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