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So, at this point, you oppose a conservative like Newt Gingrich, but would favor a liberal like Rudy Giuliani, or as MadIvan calls him, "...we're waiting for it to be made "glorious summer" perhaps by the "son of *New* York"

Rudy maybe a son of New York, but he's also a liberal SOB!

Anyone who keeps advancing this notion of Rudy the Liberal for POTUS in 2008, is barking up the wrong tree. I'm not saying Newt has a good chance of getting the nomination. His baggage and personality upsets many. But Newt remains one of the best political thinkers and issue oriented conservative Republicans around. The Contract With America was no fluke. By any standards, the CWA was a success. 100% of the CWA was voted on by the House, 90% of it was passed by the House, and roughly 65% was signed into law by Clinton.

And what has Rudy Giuliani done? He was a liberal mayor of America's biggest liberal city. He reduced the city income tax by working with the socialist leaning city council. They abolished the 12.5% surtax on high incomes. Rudy cut the welfare rolls in half, but he also added 15,000 new teachers to the city employment rolls, increasing the membership of the AFT and NEA in the process. Rudy also left behind a projected $2-billion deficit and a $42-billion debt. Crime rates went down under Mayor Giuliani. Great. They were headed down under Mayor Dinkins too. They've dropped off even more under Mayor Bloomberrg. That doesn't mean I'll be voting for Dinkins or Bloomberg for Prez.

Rudy isn't the answer for Republican Party in 2008. Look at the GOP platform and tell us, what Rudy agrees with. Not using his current political rhetoric, but by gaging his political record as mayor. Rudy is pro-big government, pro-abortion on demand, pro-partial birth abortion, pro-gun control, pro-assault weapons ban, along with supporting special rights for homos and illegals. Rudy doesn't have a conservative bone in his body. Rudy is the Joe Lieberman of the GOP.

If Rudy somehow gets the nomination, it will fracture the GOP. A Democrat will be sitting in the WH come Jan.21, 2009.

No, I don't support Rudy. I don't support anyone, and it doesn't matter one whit what I think. Indiana's primary isn't until May, so my vote won't probably have any effect.

I will support whoever the nominee is, whether Romney, Guiliani, Tancredo, McCain, Pence, Perdue, Brownback, or whoever. I firmly believe that the democrats must not be allowed to control foreign policy or the military.

I simply am pointing out that Newt is quite willing to bend his principles and flip-flop on issues. Now you may think that's ok, but the fact is that he DID run around the country with Hillary and he DID advocate massive spending for the Gulf Coast.

If he is the nominee, I will vote for him.

I'm getting a little sick of hearing this over and over again. I really don't mind the anti-Rudy tirades prior to and during the primary. But if indeed Rudy is the man left standing, and the Democrat is Hillary - the idea that somehow they're equivalent is ridiculous. Rudy is wrong about many issues. Hillary is pure evil; anyone who was around for Impeachment knows this. She has to be kept out.

We are also faced with the following phenomena - as of today, December 1, 2006 - the three Presidential contenders on the Republican side with most visibility are McCain, Romney and Giuliani. McCain is bonkers, Romney's got some terrible negative numbers becuase of being Mormon (why, I haven't a clue) - that leaves Giuliani.

As such, I see no point in getting into a rabid hate session against the man. He may be the bulwark of civilisation against the desolation that Hillary represents. Think carefully about what a disaster she would be not just for America but for the world. Then choose.

Ivan