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To: Louisiana
"Have you ever read anything about the crusades?"

With this comment, you prove that YOU are pretty much a fool. The Crusades were a DEFENSIVE reaction against the "by the sword" expansion of Islam.

Before mouthing off, you might study some history. Christianity has NEVER had, as a doctrine, the spread of itself by violent conquest. Islam does have such a doctrine.

104 posted on 11/30/2006 4:46:33 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: Wonder Warthog
"Have you ever read anything about the crusades?"

With this comment, you prove that YOU are pretty much a fool. The Crusades were a DEFENSIVE reaction against the "by the sword" expansion of Islam.

Before mouthing off, you might study some history. Christianity has NEVER had, as a doctrine, the spread of itself by violent conquest. Islam does have such a doctrine.

I am truly sorry I was such an imbecile. I have never studied history. Help me to understand about the forced conversion of the Jews?

Please explain this quote - one of many. German crusade. "News of the attacks spread quickly and reached the Jewish communities in and around Jerusalem long before the crusaders themselves arrived. However, Jews were not systematically killed in Jerusalem, despite being caught up in the general indiscriminate violence caused by the crusaders once they reached the city.

The Hebrew chronicles portray the Rhineland Jews as martyrs who willingly sacrificed themselves in order to honour God and to preserve their own honour. Faced with conversion or death, they usually chose death. " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Crusade%2C_1096

SECOND CRUSADE. "The only success came outside of the Mediterranean, where Flemish, Frisian, Norman, English, Scottish, and some German crusaders, on the way by ship to the Holy Land, fortuitously stopped and helped capture Lisbon in 1147. Meanwhile, in Eastern Europe, the first of the Northern Crusades began with the intent of forcibly converting pagan tribes to Christianity, and these crusades would go on for centuries." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Crusade

Albigensian Crusade - "The next struggle centred around Lastours and the adjacent castle of Cabaret. Attacked in December 1209, Pierre-Roger de Cabaret repulsed the attackers. Fighting largely halted over the winter, but many new crusaders arrived. In March 1210, Bram was captured after a short siege. In June the well fortified town of Minerve was invested; it withstood a heavy bombardment, but in late June the town's main well was destroyed, and on July 22, the inhabitants surrendered. The Cathar residents were given a chance to convert, and the 140 who refused were burned. In August the crusade proceeded to Termes, and despite attacks from Pierre-Roger de Cabaret, the siege was solid, and in December the town fell. It was the last action of the year." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albigensian_Crusade

I am at least citing references.

Now, Biblically - There is NO DOCTRINE OF FORCED CONVERSION. It cannot be found in Scripture, because it is not in Scripture. The crusades led by the State Church did not give much heed to the Bible or true Christian principles.

I have about 130 graduate hours of theological training and Biblical history.

116 posted on 11/30/2006 5:15:20 AM PST by Louisiana (Consider the Source)
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