Christians Must 'let go' Some Beliefs For Sake of Peace, Theologian Says (MSM lies - See Post 28)

Tennessean.com ^ | 11/29/2006 | ANITA WADHWANI

[Cindy]

Thank you to a Freepmailer who pointed to these verses from the Bible for this thread.

Adding to post no. 25.

QUOTE:

From The Bible:
2 Timothy 4:1-4

1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; 2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

[twonie]

Occasionally. But I don't think it overly excites and upsets her supporters.

[Eva]

Note that Christians were commanded to go into the world and teach the Gospel, not conquer and enslave the unbelievers. That's the difference between Islam and Christianity. Well, a difference. The real difference is that Islam is basicly a political ideology which uses religion to win and hold control of its adherents.

[GadareneDemoniac]

Please see posts 87 and 169 for further clarification of my opinion (which matters not one whit in the great scheme of things, BTW).

I have talked to and read material from certain seminary faculty; some of them espouse sound doctrine and some don't.

[Eva]

The leftist elite, including many of the ministers of the pop culture churches (mega churches)believe that fundamentalist, Bible believing/teaching is a phenomona of the lower classes, the less educated, less erudite. They believe, or rather they know that religious belief stands in the way of moral relativity, which the left believes is the answer to world peace. An example of this is the statement that one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

The fact that Christians and Jews answer to a higher power than the state is a problem for the left, so to solve this problem they have adapted an adage that I first heard in church, bend a twig in the way it should grow, while it is young and when it is grown it will not turn away. The left has entered the public schools to teach the doctrine of moral relativity. For the adults, the mega churches offer an homgenized form of Christianity, that is non-judgemental and never mentions the name of Jesus Christ.

[lady lawyer]

Christians must put aside the notion that their faith requires the creation of a Christian kingdom on Earth

It is the Muslims who are aggressively and violently moving to establish a Muslim kingdom -- the Ummah -- on Earth. Why isn't he calling on them to stop?

[SpinnerWebb]

Did you read this? Pure swill from the Deceiver.

I still hold tight to my tenant that the Truth is whatever is attacked most violently by the world.

[Northern Yankee]

I see there is a discrepancy in the way the MSM reported it and Camp's recollection.

[spinestein]

[Brief news stories can seldom do justice to substantive conversations.]




This subsequent statement by Camp says much more than anything else in the article. :^)

[Victoria Delsoul]

When it comes to our faith and our belief in Jesus, we are not to go to lengths to be politically correct and try to get along by forsaking Jesus, as this theologian wants to do, to earn the trust of Muslim and Jews.

According to Matthew 10:34,35 Jesus said: "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law."

Oops, there it goes this theologian's "can we all get along" mindset.

What Jesus meant by this is to love Him above anyone or anything, and to love Him more than one loves their mother, father, or sibling. And the sword is a metaphorical sword, not that one Muslims use in jihads to cut people's heads off or wage war. Jesus knew that believing in him would not always bring acceptance and unity within our families, and when that time arrives those of us who believe in Him would accept the consequences no matter what the cost, and so the metaphorical sword would sometimes sever our family ties.

"This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief." -- Timothy 1:15.

He didn't come to appease Muslims, Liberals, communists, or any other malcontent who wants us to reject Him.

[1-Eagle]

I would expect the anti-Christ to say something similar.

Christians are expected to be the "salt of the earth." Jesus said it will come down to "brother against brother." There is nothing in the Scripture I have ever read that calls for watering down things to get along.

[Northern Yankee]

You're so right, Vicotoria. (you should be a theologian.)

In a world that is secular I almost welcome the challenges we face day to day.

As you read Pope John Paul's Theology of the Body encyclical, we are reminded constantly that we are at war with things around us that try to break up our unity with God. It is that battle to become true followers of Christ that pleases God most. We don't capitulate our beliefs and long held obedience to God for the sake of convenience, or to make others more comfortable. In comfort comes complacency.

I am but a simple man, but I do know what is right and wrong. Being able to follow the teachings of Christ leads me to the truth. I think today many no longer know what truth is, but then again neither did Pontius Pilate. The further away we as a society stray from God, the less we know what is true; not only for us, but for our society as well.

[XenaLee]

Against God's sake....I think you already know.

___

For God's sake, what is with this guy?

[Tax-chick]

Great post, Victoria.

[Nancee]

I agree with the fact that we are called by God to take and maintain a stand for Him against all odds. The book of Hebrews, chapter 11, delineates the martyrs who have gone before us....they lived and died by faith:

"...men* of whom the world was not worthy..." Can we strive for anything less?

Nancee

*Greek word used for "men" indicates "mankind"; not male only...it's male and female.

[UpAllNight]

-Pardon my butting in here, but yours is the latest in a number of complaints.--

I had no complaint.

[Northern Yankee]

Great post Nancee.

You're so right... to take a stand is what we must do in our obedience to God.

[truemiester]

"We felt like the larger community is calling for this," said Larry Bridgesmith, executive director of Lipscomb's newly established Institute for Conflict Management.


The "large Community" is calling for the death of conversion of all Christians!

Will you do the honors and be the first to go!

[Zionist Conspirator]

It was my understanding that most chr*stians (especially the historical, liturgical variety) reject the notion of a literal messianic Kingdom of G-d on earth and in fact regard this as a "Judaizing heresy." Of course, these same churches are the ones that teach the concept of chr*stendom, so apparently they have no objections to a messianic kingdom so long as the messiah doesn't actually rule it!

I'm not a chr*stian, but chr*stians certainly have my sympathy on this issue. "Religion" has been turned into a subjective ethno-cultural folklore "faith tradition" thingie instead of something that claims to be simple, objective truth. And everyone of every religion (except perhaps islam) seems to have this disease.

[Zionist Conspirator]

PS: Do moslems have to put aside their traditional teaching that the world must convert to islam and be governed by it? For some reason liberals always exempt "the other" from their criticisms.

Judaism does teach a literal messianic kingdom on earth during which the entire human race will reject all false "gxds" and acknowledge HaShem. Unfortunately, the mere fact that Judaism teaches this means that most Jews don't believe it!