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To: highimpact
That depends on the labor market. If there more people looking for jobs than there are jobs, masters can pretty much impose any restriction that the servants will stand. And if a servant has to support a family, he will take a lot more than he would ordinarily. So precedents are built.

We have a glutted labor pool. This is evident in the current average wage paid versus previous wage paid in a given market, and also acknowledged by many analysts. Workers will need their jobs and will endure anything short of not being able to look at themselves in the mirror shaving.

So has the abuse threshold gone with people in history, from what I've read.

I'd be more than happy if you could talk me out of that dark prophecy. "We're America. It can't happen to us." can't be valid with the massive changes to the original founding structure made during the 10th and 20th centuries, I'll warrant.

139 posted on 11/29/2006 8:46:47 PM PST by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: William Terrell
That depends on the labor market. If there more people looking for jobs than there are jobs, masters can pretty much impose any restriction that the servants will stand.

The current unemployment rate is sub-5%. Any worker with a valued skill can find work, and in a lot of cases, be selective of their employers. If you don't make enough money, or if you're not happy in your current job, find a different employer who values your skills more (or find different skills with more value).

You're blaming the wrong people. Employees have more impact over their own income than employers. If an employer doesn't pay an employee what they're WORTH, the employee will leave to receive a higher wage elsewhere. Employers are going to pay the market rate for an employee's value, for the same reason that you pay the market rate for an oil change.

And if a servant has to support a family, he will take a lot more than he would ordinarily. So precedents are built.

It's all about value. If a "servant" doesn't want to serve, he should open his own business.

We have a glutted labor pool. This is evident in the current average wage paid versus previous wage paid in a given market, and also acknowledged by many analysts.

Real wages are not determined by employers alone. Education, culture, global markets, immigration, inflation, infrastructure, wars, and many other variables determine real wages. Restricting your employment pool to non-smokers, I would argue, is one of the lesser variables.

Workers will need their jobs and will endure anything short of not being able to look at themselves in the mirror shaving.

I won't. I know my value. If somebody tries to pay me minimum wage to shovel SH*T, I'm going to laugh in their face. But you're right, if that's their only value to an employer, that's what they'll get paid. That's not the employer's fault.

So has the abuse threshold gone with people in history, from what I've read. I'd be more than happy if you could talk me out of that dark prophecy. "We're America. It can't happen to us." can't be valid with the massive changes to the original founding structure made during the 10th and 20th centuries, I'll warrant.

We have a (generally) free market, and that economic model has created the greatest, wealthiest, and most luxurious society in the history of the world. Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.

140 posted on 11/29/2006 9:33:34 PM PST by highimpact
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