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Childless: Some by Chance, Some by Choice
The Washington Post ^ | 11/28/06 | Nancy Rome

Posted on 11/28/2006 10:11:14 AM PST by steve-b

No, no, sorry. I don't have any . . ."

Why does this always seem to be the first thing I'm asked? It takes my breath away, yet why do I feel the need to apologize for my reply? Looking vague and embarrassed, my questioner glances over my shoulder for someone else to talk to: someone with whom he or she has more in common, someone with children....

Just as some women talk of a visceral urge that propels them to have children, others speak of an equally visceral urge that propels them not to. Laurie, a transplanted southerner who teaches history in New York, began to realize at an early age that she didn't want children, as she watched wealthy mothers in Richmond hire other women to care for their children. "These people compelled to have trophy babies in certain socioeconomic echelons don't want to face the realities of raising a child." She is now infuriated by what she calls "that Mother Right" -- the assumption that everyone will make way for a woman with a stroller or a child in tow....

But almost all the women I've talked with describe feeling acutely aware of what they see as our national obsession with motherhood: "The Bump Watch" hounding Jennifer Aniston and Jennifer Lopez; "Celebrity Babies" like the elusive Suri Cruise; and "The Ultimate Hollywood Accessory: A New Baby," popularized by Brangelina. Some use the term "child-free" to differentiate those who choose not to have children from those who had been unable to have them....

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: child; childfree; childless; children; nancyrome; nokidding; nokids; parent; parenthood; plannedbarrenhood; zpg
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To: cyborg
A lot of the girls at work know I just got married. They're asking me my age first and then if I'm going to have kids.

LOL! I guess those are natural questions, but they're certainly not polite ones, among random acquaintances.

Most of the people I know who use cloth diapers order them online from suppliers.

121 posted on 11/28/2006 11:18:22 AM PST by Tax-chick (My remark was stupid, and I'm a slave of the patriarchy. So?)
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To: CheyennePress
Frankly, the women who should be having children--those who have the means to care for them, who have met success in life and could engender this spirit in their children--simply aren't having kids.

Meanwhile, welfare mom who sits at home pumps out 5 or 6.


I don't lament the fact that "career" women tend not to have children. Many of these women are exactly the type that probably shouldn't have children in the first place. Quite frankly, very few of these so-called careers have any real value in the grand scheme of things, except to boost the career woman's ego. I have seen this first hand a number of times. Feminist brainwashing has been so successful that many women pursue relatively meaningless careers simply to avoid being defined with the dreaded label of "housewife" or "mother".

As an example, I once worked with a lady in an IT department who had a child (this lady was married) and immediately put her in expensive daycare. I worked out the cost of the daycare per year versus how much this lady made in salary and showed her that she was spending every penny of her salary on daycare, while at the same time, depriving herself of time with her daughter and her daughter of the benefit of being with her mother. The lady's response: "Well, I don't want to be just one of those stay at home moms." Unfortunately, it was really her daughter paying the price for that ego. Add to that the fact that this lady was only marginally competent at her job.

What we really need to do is to bring back the concept of a housewife as being respectable, necessary, and far more rewarding than one of these hollow "careers". Men throughout history have slaved away at various jobs, but most, I think, recognized that the true reward in the career was the ability to provide for their families, not the career itself. If you are not supporting a family, why even bother with a job you don't enjoy or are not well suited for?
122 posted on 11/28/2006 11:18:31 AM PST by fr_freak
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To: linda_22003; wideawake
Yeah, that wideawake is such a *whacko*! What nerve to hijack a thread about childless women with the subject of abortion. As if there were any correlation at all between legalized infanticide and the fact that more women are "choosing to not have children." That adults see kids as inconvenient to their lifestyles has absolutely NOTHING to do with abortion.
123 posted on 11/28/2006 11:19:56 AM PST by two134711 ("To take no notice of a violent attack is to strengthen the heart of the enemy.")
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To: Tax-chick

I don't mind answering until I get the 'Well you're getting old, you better have some before you get old'... I don't have the same consciousness about age that other women do. If I haven't had any by the time I'm fourty-ish, petronski and I said we'd think about adopting a child.


124 posted on 11/28/2006 11:21:51 AM PST by cyborg (No I don't miss the single life at all.)
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To: WolfRunnerWoman

Well, at least you turned the hamfistedness in your direction. :)


125 posted on 11/28/2006 11:22:01 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: cyborg

Good luck. You've got your head on straight--here's hoping you DO have some kids. We need yours!


126 posted on 11/28/2006 11:23:20 AM PST by pa mom
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To: two134711

LOL! You said it far better than I could.


127 posted on 11/28/2006 11:25:23 AM PST by wideawake ("The nation which forgets its defenders will itself be forgotten." - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: pa mom

Thanks!


128 posted on 11/28/2006 11:26:18 AM PST by cyborg (No I don't miss the single life at all.)
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To: linda_22003

The Steelers would have beaten the Ravens on Sunday if not for Roe v Wade.

BTW, I need a new keyboard after reading your lipsuction comment.


129 posted on 11/28/2006 11:27:55 AM PST by dmz
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To: wideawake

:-)


130 posted on 11/28/2006 11:30:01 AM PST by two134711 ("To take no notice of a violent attack is to strengthen the heart of the enemy.")
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To: dmz
The Steelers would have beaten the Ravens on Sunday if not for Roe v Wade.

Curse of the bambinos.

131 posted on 11/28/2006 11:30:44 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: arizonarachel

For the sake of the other people to whom these insensitive clods will target the same question, you might want to subject them to a "cure" by unhesitately telling them a LOT more than they want to know about why you don't have children yet. It's one thing to ask people IF they have children, but once having learned someone doesn't, to ask WHY is beyond the boundaries of civil discourse. If they get a lecture on blocked tubes, recurrent miscarriage, high FSH, azoospermia, failed IVF cycles, etc., they had it coming (and aren't likely to ask anyone this question ever again).


132 posted on 11/28/2006 11:31:22 AM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: wideawake

I think if you had brought up birth control, that would be a reasonable argument, for surely childless women in their 30's and 40's prevented pregnancy with bc. But it is not a given that all of them had abortions.


133 posted on 11/28/2006 11:31:23 AM PST by pa mom
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To: Tijeras_Slim

And Touchdown Jesus...oops wrong team.


134 posted on 11/28/2006 11:32:18 AM PST by cyborg (No I don't miss the single life at all.)
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To: Tax-chick

You get invited to showers for old high school or college friends, folks at church, folks at work... It's not uncommon. As for the "do you have children" question, I get asked if I'm married a lot. It's just a typical smalltalk question. I don't take any offense to it. It's sort of like "where do you work" or "how long have you lived here". It's just a way of finding a conversation topic. I've gotten that at office parties where you meet the spouses, at church stuff where you're meeting new people, and at work when getting to know new people. Where I work, you work with small groups of people for years at a time. So, you tend to get to know each other pretty well. Whose kids play what sports and how their team's doing. Whose wife wrecked their car last week. Whose husband avoids doing the dishes at all costs. :) That sort of stuff.


135 posted on 11/28/2006 11:33:46 AM PST by ark_girl
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To: dmz

Thanks. More people around here could use a sense of humor, don't you think? I hope it's on their Christmas lists. :)


136 posted on 11/28/2006 11:35:34 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: arizonarachel
My husband and I have struggled with becoming pregnant, and when someone asks (rudely!): "Why don't you two have children yet?" it makes me want to hurt them.

I have never met a single child woman who is not mad at her parents for that decision. Single children fear alienation.

137 posted on 11/28/2006 11:36:16 AM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The only good Mullah is a dead Mullah. The only good Mosque is the one that used to be there.)
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To: linda_22003
It's 'cause I'm cute with my flat belly (thanks to abotions) and Prada bag. (-;

After reading a few more examples of the lebensborn mentality, I wonder If I wouldn't have angered some Freepers more by having a houseful of kids. After all I am a swarthy, bilingual Hispanic.
138 posted on 11/28/2006 11:36:46 AM PST by WolfRunnerWoman (Dogs are not our whole life, but they make our lives whole.)
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To: Tax-chick

I ask that question whenever I go to my husband's work functions. I'm looking for other mom's to talk to. I have little in common with the women that work at my husband's company, so I end up trying to find other moms to talk to. Even then, it's hard to find another stay-at-home mom.


139 posted on 11/28/2006 11:37:23 AM PST by luckystarmom
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To: arizonarachel
Keep trying AR! It took over two years for the Mrs and I to have our first and that was a set of wonderful twin boys! Then a single girl, a miscarriage and another girl and we've got a wonderful four children.

lol. We figure we did our bit for King and Country ;)

Sometimes it just takes time.

What I find curious about both the article AND the thread is the subtle way that those women who CAN'T have children are lumped together with those who WON'T have children.

It's not even CLOSE to the same thing, even if the end result is the same. This article is about women who WON'T have children and women who CAN'T have children shouldn't have even been mentioned in it.

I chose not to seek medical help or look for a sperm donor. Nor have I made myself a mother through adoption. Instead, I've come to see myself as part of a growing phenomenon -- one to which people often don't know how to respond.

Now is this a heckuva attempt at rationalization or what?

I guess I fit myself into the "They're selfish" box. I think it's too bad their mothers didn't take the easy way out that they've chosen.

140 posted on 11/28/2006 11:37:42 AM PST by HeartlandOfAmerica (The Democrat Party: Best friends of America's WORST enemies!)
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