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To: Raymann

Ummmm....the symbols are/were already there! THAT'S the entire point here! This is hardly a battle about Christian's erecting NEW symbols, but anti-Christians dismantling OLD ones! OR removing things like IGWT from money, Under God in the pledge and so on and so forth! These symbols were here from the country's inception! The founding fathers were mostly Christians! This is a CHRISTIAN country!

But only in your world, only you could see that it's no big deal to have taxpayers foot the bill for chiseling out the ten commandments all over the portico IN STONE over the supreme court building!

What's next? Yanking the crosses (and stars of David) out of Arlington Nat'l Cemetery???

BTW, anyone know if there are any muslim crescents in Arlington? Someone asserted that people contribute to this country from ALL religious and non-religious persuasions. For that matter, are there any satanic symbols in Arlington, you know where all the satanists died and spilled their blood in contributing to the freedoms of this country? Any unmarked graves where atheists served and gave the supreme sacrifice? Just curious.

Or how about having taxpayers pay to dismantle ALL vestiges of Christianity from public places like the Mt. Soledad Cross in San Diego.

As if that kind of lunacy weren't enough...the ACLU sued the city of Las Cruces New Mexico to have the crosses removed from the town's logo! Bear in mind the NAME Las Cruces MEANS, the crosses! But if the ACLU were to have free reign, I'm sure they would terrorize the people there to change their name or else!

Same for Los Angeles and suing them for having a cross in their city logo!

BTW, socialist, secular humanists somehow don't impress me too much when it comes to lecturing peoples about morals and rights!


252 posted on 11/28/2006 2:20:26 PM PST by tpanther
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To: tpanther
The founding fathers were mostly Christians! This is a CHRISTIAN country!

The founding fathers were in part Christian and in part deist. And this is a deliberately secular country governed by the rule of law. It is decidedly not a theocracy. Hence a Constitution that contains no operative language establishing or favoring a selected religion.

But only in your world, only you could see that it's no big deal to have taxpayers foot the bill for chiseling out the ten commandments all over the portico IN STONE over the supreme court building!

The ten commandments are not chiseled in stone on the portico of the Supreme Court building. Moses is depicted both on the exterior of the building (holding blank tablets) along with Confucius, Solon, and several other allegorical figures, and on the friezes inside the courtroom, along with Menes, Hammurabi, Draco, Octavian, Blackstone, Marshall, Napoleon, Justinian, Mohammad, Charlemagne, King John, Louis IX, Grotius, Lycurgus, Menes, etc. The tablets on the interior frieze contain portions of commandments 6-10 written in Hebrew, chosen because these are not inherently religious.

There is no threat to Christians in this country precisely because all religions are tolerated, along with the freedom not be religious at all. It is when one religion is chosen by the state that your freedoms of conscience and belief are imperiled.

In short, should you decide tomorrow that you no longer believe in any God, your rights as a citizen of this country would remain unimpeded.

256 posted on 11/28/2006 2:54:33 PM PST by atlaw
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To: tpanther
OR removing things like IGWT from money, Under God in the pledge and so on and so forth! These symbols were here from the country's inception!

You might want to do some research on when "under God" was added to the Pledge of Allegiance. Hint: it wasn't at "the country's inception."

268 posted on 11/28/2006 3:48:28 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: tpanther

Where the hell did that come from? Why does it matter that the founding fathers were christian? I've already said long ago in this thread that I wasn't arguing about Constitutionality.

Second, where are you getting "chiseling out the ten commandments" and all that other junk from? Who the hell here is saying that cause I know I wasn't. Everything I've said here so far has always been narrowly construed. What I want, from now on, is for the Treasury to stop putting "in god we trust" on our money, got it?

BTW: I'm no damn socialist or secular humanist.


274 posted on 11/28/2006 6:12:50 PM PST by Raymann
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