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To: Borges; sittnick; bornacatholic
The Pound info is from Law, Liberty and Psychiatry by Thomas Szasz, M.D., an atheist libertarian psychiatrist who once headed the Psychiatry Department at the State University of New York. It also includes a chapter on an elderly NYC black woman who came very close to assassinating Martin Luther King, Jr., with a large kitchen knife at a book signing at Brentano's in about 1955. She was a domestic servant who said she was trying to kill him because a) she had no family to suffer from her act, b) she had always been very well treated by white people and c) she thought King would ruin relations between blacks and whites. None of this justified her crime of driving the knife within an inch or so laterally from his heart, of course. However, the NYC liberal prosecutors, decided on their own that she simply MUST be insane (since her motive made no sense to liberals) and had her put away in St. Elizabeth's Psychiatric Hospital. She should have been prosecuted. A case too late to make the book was John Hinckley who deserved to be prosecuted for shooting and trying to kill Ronald Reagan to impress Jodie Foster.

Sensible folks those Tsarists. The Colony of New Haven had the same law under the Rev. Mr. John Davenport. Exile would do as well. Countries like Andorra are quite libertarian while maintaining reasonable social order.

I understand that T. S. Eliot was a convert to Catholicism from Anglicanism but I fail to see why that makes him anti-Semitic. In his times, anti-Semitism was unfortunately more tolerated than it has been post WWII until recently as the Left is now running in that direction.

Children are not adults. Parents and not the state have the primary responsibility for the upbringing and education of their kids (upon which we seem to agree). I cannot claim the right to choose the education of my own kids without allowing to virtually every other parent to do likewise as to their kids. Such freedoms are not facilitated by homogenized public schools in the ancient era of Horace Mann, the more recent (WWI) era of John Dewey or in the current age of truly active evil in which public schools may be generalized as PS 666 such as "fisting" classes in public schools at Lexington, MA, the requirement of blatant propaganda such as Heather Has Two Mommies and Daddy's Roommate (veritable literary catechisms of lesbianism and homosexuality) in NYC public schools, and other widely noted atrocities posing as "education." If the parents want this, they can buy the books to twist their own kids with their own money. They are not welcome to use my taxes to do so. If the parents want to have their kids instructed in "fisting", they ought to be jailed for child abuse.

When kids are eighteen, they ought to listen to their parents but, alas, it is the way of the world that they often do not. If my nineteen-year-old who generally shows better judgment should decide that she simply MUST know why controversy swirled around Lady Chatterley's Lover, that will now be her decision. I think she has sufficient moral foundation not to be interested by D. H. Lawrence but, if not, not. I take it that you are referencing the Tom Wolfe who wrote Look Homeward, Angel, and not the more recent Tom Wolfe of Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test and MauMauing the Flak Catchers and several great American novels. Either are acceptable to the best of my knowledge and the latter is close to essential especially MauMauing the Flak Catchers and also From Bauhaus to Our House. I am not aware of objections to Faulkner that would concern me.

I don't regard Whitman as necessary context but I also admit to having a general distaste for poetry not written by Virgil, Homer or W. H. von Dreele.

I bring up Mapplethorpe because the literati, the culturati and the glitterati went just ga-ga over his bullwhip photo (which placed the whip handle in the object of many of their affections---barf). I rank his photography well below poetry that was not written by the aforementioned three poets or those like them.

Whatever Wagner believed, his beliefs were not the reason for Third Reich ideology against the Jews or otherwise. Hitler, Goebbels, Goering and the rest were substantially sui generis and just dreadfully more efficient than comparable figures. I have always regarded those who worship themselves such as Hitler, Goebbels and Goering as sorely limited in their imaginations. Wagner was merely a composer and apparently a composer with racial delusions.

Before exposing my children of tender years and impressionable minds to the works of practicing sexual perverts, I would feel it necessary to read those works in their entirety and that does not seem a very attractive idea. One of my kids aspires to be a nurse and has a very practical career path in mind. She is the one absolutely most interested in literature as a hobby but a good-paying job in significant service to others as a foundation for a financially secure life. Daughter #2 is likely on her way to Yale as a chemistry major. Daughter #3 aspires to reaching the age of 13 in spite of her absolutely inconsistent desire to major in Hannah Montana and That's So Raven. It will be reaching age 13 or abandoning Disneytrash or but not both. We are currently experimenting with televisionectomy. If necessary, before resorting to execution, we will consider putting her up for adoption by a dismally cloistered convent without television, without internet and without shopping experiences at malls.

If, at some point along the way, you should encounter my children in what is termed the great ongoing conversation of mankind (in which we encourage them to engage), you might, with great effort, convince one or more of them that Whitman is essential by bringing your evidence to the conversation with them but they may fight back. No man is a prophet in his own household. Sometimes they may even disagree with me (I know how hard that will be for many to believe but it is true nonetheless) and we have taught them to accept unquestioningly only the Teaching Magisterium of the Roman Catholic Church.

As to the value of opinions, God and I make a voting and binding majority. In the event of disagreement (shudder) between me and God, God makes a binding and voting majority.

BTW, don't mistake enthusiasm for anger. I am always enthusiastic but seldom angry. I must work on that transparency thing since I have had to actually articulate this paragraph.

Finally, the original subject of this thread was an essay by a school janitor shilling for the National "Education" Association and Gummint Skeweling generally. Since you and I agree that parents should be the decisionmakers on the education of their respective kids, we should find ourselves in agreement that tax money should not be utilized for gummint skewels much less to so weight the scales in favor of homogenized leftist indoctrination as to make those schools the norm in our society. Whitman, Lawrence, Tchaikovsky, T.S. Eliot, Tennyson, Browning, Wagner, Wolfe, Faulkner, et al., are strictly side issues. If we are in agreement on abolishing public schools, then we have agreed on the critical issue. Then, as Chairman Mao used to say: Let a thousand flowers bloom!

855 posted on 12/04/2006 9:24:20 AM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: BlackElk
First off, I'm quite flattered that you devote so much time and effort in your replies to me. :-) As to Eliot, antisemitism has been attached to him for quite a while. The've found elements of it in The Wasteland and comments he made about Jews throughout his life.

Wagner coincided with the era when anti-Jewishness became anti-semitism...racial rather then religious objections. He thought Aryans had been deprived of their 'Godhead' by 'da Jews' and was one of the earliest suggest that Jesus was not Jewish. Hitler said that to understand National Socialism one must know Wagner.
869 posted on 12/04/2006 11:14:47 AM PST by Borges
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To: BlackElk
Whatever Wagner believed, his beliefs were not the reason for Third Reich ideology against the Jews or otherwise.

*Many of Hitler's Eugenic ideas were lifted from educated Americans, Like Mag the Scag Sanger, who were forced to read the formless poetry of Whitman...I'm just saying :)''

878 posted on 12/04/2006 1:19:20 PM PST by bornacatholic
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