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Home Schools Run By Well-Meaning Amateurs
NEA ^ | By Dave Arnold

Posted on 11/27/2006 7:04:44 AM PST by meandog

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To: Politicalmom

I wasn't referring to you particularly. The general point wass that most people are trying to avoid the truth about the public schools because it is appalling. The usual excuse is that their public school is "different" - just like their congressman (it's those other ones that are bad). Again, I was responding to a theme, not your situation, whatever it is.


861 posted on 12/04/2006 10:07:13 AM PST by achilles2000 (Shouting "fire" in a burning building is doing everyone a favor...whether they like it or not)
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To: BlackElk
If he were back for a reprise performance in our times and were told authoritatively that a pope (any pope) said that ensoulment for all infants takes place at conception, St. Thomas would likely slap his forehead and say in medieval Italian: "Of course, why didn't I realize that?"

For the record, the Church has never stated when ensoulment takes place, and in fact has gone to great pains to state that it makes no claim (See "Declaration on Procured Abortion"). So, the question is still open. While conception is clearly the frontrunner, there are some problems with that. For instance, When a conceived child splits in two and becomes twins, which (if any) is the original soul? When did ensoulment take place for the second one, since conception had already occurred? For now, I think we have to stick with the answer that we don't know, but that every human life is precious (no debate that it is a human life) and every innocent human life must be protected.
862 posted on 12/04/2006 10:08:23 AM PST by sittnick (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: Politicalmom; achilles2000
One need not know of your personal situation to condemn gummint skewels. One need only to recognize theft when one sees it and to be familiar with gummint skewels to condemn both.

BTW, no one is condemning or even judging you. We are condemning public schools as such. Unless you are personally a public school or a National "Education" Association, you are neither condemned nor judged.

If your personal circumstances leave your kids in public schools, and you are doing the best you can, good for you! Encourage your kids to spend time at libraries and to read a lot of the best stuff so that they may overcome their gummint skeweling. It will be hard but worth it.

If one says that Dr. Jarvik or Dr. DeBakey is a better choice of cardiac surgeon than J. Random phsyician at a welfare clinic, one is not insulting the patients of any of the three. Likewise the fact that homeschooling and most private schooling is quite superior to PS 666 does not insult the students of any of them.

863 posted on 12/04/2006 10:18:07 AM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: sittnick
How!

The preliminary clause was a hypothetical and the main clause was true as allegory.

Christ said to the crowd ready to stone the woman taken in adultery: Let he who is sinless cast the first stone. IF Mary threw the first stone, she would not have disobeyed (other than as to gender) His direction. That she did not throw the first stone and that no one else did does not make her disobedient.

Lakotan/Torquemadan theological method be-um not make head hurt looking for obscure controversies: Go with flow! Otherwise, one suffer what those who had "professors" in secular prep schools instead of teachers suffer. It be-um not necessary to review history of use of term "professor" instead of teacher at secular private prep schools!

864 posted on 12/04/2006 10:30:07 AM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: BlackElk; achilles2000

I do not "abandon" my children. I am not "abusing" my children. I don't care what you, as an obnoxious homeschooler, think. When I moved here from California, I was fully prepared to put my children in private school, until they refused to take my son because he had a writing disability and didn't fit into their perfect little mold. As I had to get my children into school immediately, I went to the local public school. They have treated my children with love, and my children are thriving.

The school has won multiple awards. The student to teacher ratio is 11/1. I know almost every teacher by name. I volunteer regularly. They use Saxon math, and have advanced math and reading classes for every grade. They have two full time gifted and talented teachers, and two special ed teachers. The children have full time PE, art, and music teachers, as well as a full time nurse.

When I had a concern about the possible use of a certain lesson plan being touted by the liberal wackos, I called the principal, and while we were still on the phone, she issued a memo stating that if any teacher wished to use that lesson plan, parental approval would be required.

You can walk through the halls and see Bible verses used in art projects. Discipline is excellent, and students are required to use sir and ma'am when addressing a teacher.

My son took an enrichment course in Latin and will continue with it in the public high school.

So, guess what? MY school IS different. It is more like a private school than a public school.

Your attitude is absolutely disgusting, and dismissive of other people. If you continue to attack others, homeschooling will lose more and more support from those of us who think it can be a wonderful thing, but have made other choices for our family.

I am not going to argue about the abolition of public schools, because it simply is not going to happen, at least in the near future.


865 posted on 12/04/2006 10:33:06 AM PST by Politicalmom (Nearly 1% of illegals are in prison for felonies. Less than 1/10 of 1% of the legal population is.)
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To: BlackElk
IF Mary threw the first stone, she would not have disobeyed (other than as to gender) His direction.

I'll forgive your misuse of the word "gender" if you forgive my misuse of the word "professor." The high school, college and post grad years swirl together in my mind sometimes. I will also resist being baited with your injun talk, as you know that the only stories that bore me more than ship stories like Moby Dick are those whose focus is on Injuns (North and South American). I am still recovering from having to do a book report on Secret of Andes in third grade.
866 posted on 12/04/2006 10:39:31 AM PST by sittnick (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: Politicalmom

You must be terribly anxious about something because I didn't say one word about you abandoning your children or abusing them. I would assume that no one posting here would do those things. If you have "issues" with someone else, please don't address them to me. Thanks.


867 posted on 12/04/2006 10:46:59 AM PST by achilles2000 (Shouting "fire" in a burning building is doing everyone a favor...whether they like it or not)
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To: Politicalmom

You must be terribly anxious about something because I didn't say one word about you abandoning your children or abusing them. I would assume that no one posting here would do those things. If you have "issues" with someone else, please don't address them to me. Thanks.


868 posted on 12/04/2006 10:47:04 AM PST by achilles2000 (Shouting "fire" in a burning building is doing everyone a favor...whether they like it or not)
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To: BlackElk
First off, I'm quite flattered that you devote so much time and effort in your replies to me. :-) As to Eliot, antisemitism has been attached to him for quite a while. The've found elements of it in The Wasteland and comments he made about Jews throughout his life.

Wagner coincided with the era when anti-Jewishness became anti-semitism...racial rather then religious objections. He thought Aryans had been deprived of their 'Godhead' by 'da Jews' and was one of the earliest suggest that Jesus was not Jewish. Hitler said that to understand National Socialism one must know Wagner.
869 posted on 12/04/2006 11:14:47 AM PST by Borges
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To: BlackElk

Did you know that Dr. Michael Debakey is still alive at 98!


870 posted on 12/04/2006 11:18:34 AM PST by Borges
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To: sittnick

They don't even set sail till about page 100 or so! If the early stuffon land bored you (The Inn, Father Mapple's sermon) then I don't know what to say.


871 posted on 12/04/2006 11:19:52 AM PST by Borges
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To: Borges
I can tell you one thing for certain...I'd rather read Moby Dick ten times than read Hawthorne's House of the Seven Gables even once.

It's problematic when your reader finds the protagonist uninspiring, let alone contemptible.

872 posted on 12/04/2006 11:49:40 AM PST by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: Oberon
HOTSG is pretty stiff. Hepziba and her family don't really make for exciting reading.
873 posted on 12/04/2006 12:02:46 PM PST by Borges
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To: BlackElk

That "idea" you responed to is, as Rep. Randolph once said of a piece of legislation, - it is like a carp in the moonlight. It is shiny and it stinks.


874 posted on 12/04/2006 12:48:42 PM PST by bornacatholic
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To: BlackElk

The left is about power. If you do not elect them to it, they will seize it from you any way they can, usually via the Judiciary.


875 posted on 12/04/2006 12:51:03 PM PST by bornacatholic
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To: bornacatholic

It's perfectly reasonable. It's called the Intentional fallacy and it was put forward in the 1930s or so by a group of American critics called the Southern Agrarians. All oustponekly conservative and Christian. 'Meaning' cesom from the text not an author's intentions. Whatever they were.


876 posted on 12/04/2006 12:58:28 PM PST by Borges
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To: bornacatholic
Furthermore how should Kerry's recent 'botched joke' be judged? By his intentions or by what he actually said. The same principle applies.
877 posted on 12/04/2006 1:05:30 PM PST by Borges
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To: BlackElk
Whatever Wagner believed, his beliefs were not the reason for Third Reich ideology against the Jews or otherwise.

*Many of Hitler's Eugenic ideas were lifted from educated Americans, Like Mag the Scag Sanger, who were forced to read the formless poetry of Whitman...I'm just saying :)''

878 posted on 12/04/2006 1:19:20 PM PST by bornacatholic
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To: Borges

there is absolutely no indication he intended a joke. His "intention" was an after-the-fact attempt, by his political handlers, to cober his large goofy butt


879 posted on 12/04/2006 1:25:55 PM PST by bornacatholic
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To: Borges; BlackElk
In Mystery and Manners the great Flannery o'Connor wrote about many aspects of her intentions/motivations re her short stories.

Were her explanations of equal value to your ideas generated by her text?

880 posted on 12/04/2006 1:30:11 PM PST by bornacatholic
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