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To: dsc
I think the Frazier reruns would be right up your alley. Both Niles and Frazier are Mt. Olympus material.

I am only asking these questions because I struggle them too and what seemed so cut and dry on 9/11 becomes harder to answer the more I study.

How do you tell a person who has been spoon fed the Qu'ran and the supremacy of the Muslim that their religion isn't real? It's the religious aspect that makes it so hard to combat, especially when it teaches that they are to dominate and not be dominated. (And since the coming of the West to the Middle East, the Muslims have asked themselves how can we return to the glory of the Caliphate)

I don't think the left is going to be your major problem. I think it is going to be the Muslim community itself. It is just not going to let you attack it, nor will it give up its political power (and as long as it controls the oil spicket, it doesn't have to).

When I say total war, I am not thinking Sherman, so I am not saying the killing of innocents. Total war means the destruction of the ideology/religion you are fighting with all your forces brought to bear against it.

So, how do you make total war against a political religious system that believes it is god-ordained? How do you force it into the 21th century when it believes that it needs to return to the doctrines and practices of the 7th century to reclaim the position it once held?

You can deny it active participation in the state power structure, but you cannot strip it of its political power. Its inherent in the Qu'ran.

The problem does not just rest with Islam. How about us? We have preached cultural relativism for far too long and are being held hostage by political correctness. You are fighting a religion and a society that is gaining in numbers and as Steyn says going to take over Europe without firing a shot. You have a fifth column in our own society and a generation being brainwashed in our universities that believes the West is responsible for all the evil in the world.

I believe it is a clash of civilizations and the very first thing the West is going to have to do if we are going to win is find the backbone and the stomach to fight Islam no matter the cost.

87 posted on 11/24/2006 12:50:52 PM PST by James Ewell Brown Stuart (If you want to have a good time, jine the cavalry!)
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To: James Ewell Brown Stuart

"How do you tell a person who has been spoon fed the Qu'ran and the supremacy of the Muslim that their religion isn't real?"

In most cases, you don't. That's why I mentioned quarantine.

"I don't think the left is going to be your major problem. I think it is going to be the Muslim community itself."

If we weren't contaminated with leftism, we would have "the backbone and the stomach to fight Islam no matter the cost."

"It is just not going to let you attack it"

If we attacked now, with everything we have, it would be like George Foreman stepping on a ladybug.

"nor will it give up its political power (and as long as it controls the oil spicket, it doesn't have to)."

No, that would require military force.

"Total war means the destruction of the ideology/religion you are fighting with all your forces brought to bear against it."

I can support that.

"So, how do you make total war against a political religious system that believes it is god-ordained?"

You start killing combatants, and don't stop until you are in possession of the field.

"How do you force it into the 21th century when it believes that it needs to return to the doctrines and practices of the 7th century to reclaim the position it once held?"

I am not really interested with forcing them into the 21st century. I am content to quarantine them, and let the medical science of the 7th century lead them into extinction. Of course, if their children were all taken away from them as infants to be raised Christian, that would hasten the process.

"You can deny it active participation in the state power structure, but you cannot strip it of its political power. Its inherent in the Qu'ran."

You can reduce the number of people among whom it has political power to a few thousand, simply by jailing jihadists so they can't procreate, and by allowing them to run their own medical system. Further, you can make sure those few thousand don't have anything more dangerous than swords and horses to fight with.

"The problem does not just rest with Islam. How about us? We have preached cultural relativism for far too long and are being held hostage by political correctness."

Thus my earlier remarks about the left.

"I believe it is a clash of civilizations and the very first thing the West is going to have to do if we are going to win is find the backbone and the stomach to fight Islam no matter the cost."

I could hope that we would first find the backbone and the stomach to drive leftism completely out of our systems...political, legal, educational, and media.


100 posted on 11/24/2006 4:59:36 PM PST by dsc
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