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Western Standard - Canada ^ | November 20, 2006 | Mark Steyn

[TeenagedConservative]

Obviously Republicans are better than Democrats. All I said was that Rice's statement that Palestinians want to live in peace is further evidence that the current administration is blind to the reality of the region.

I will never support Democrats, but there are Republicans to whom I can't give my support. Rice is one of them.

[TeenagedConservative]

You obviously missed the Carter Administration.

The fact that there have been incompetent administrations in the past does not preclude this one's incompetence in the present.

[dsc]

"Yes, they do. You aren't the only "smart" one in the world."

OOOOhhh, I love it when you talk down to me.

Yes, I know I'm not the only smart one in the world. Statistically speaking, a substantial fraction of one percent of the population is smarter than I am.

Be that as it may, the apt response to your "Yes, they do," is "No, they don't."

[GoLightly]

You got me started...

World : 0-14 years: 28.2%


Afghanistan : 17.5 years

Egypt : 23.4 years

Indonesia : 26.1 years

Iran : 24.8 years

Iraq : 19 years

Kuwait : 25.9 years

Lebanon : 26.9 years

Pakistan : 19.4 years

Syria : 20 years

Qatar : 31.4 years

Saudi Arabia : 21.2 years

Turkey : 27.3 years

United Arab Emirates : 27.7 years

Yemen : 16.5 years


Israel : 29.2 years

Australia : 36.3 years

Canada : 38.2 years

France : 38.6 years

Germany : 41.7 years

Italy : 41.4 years

Spain : 39.1 years

United Kingdom : 38.7 years

United States : 36 years



China : 31.8 years

El Salvador : 21.4 years

Honduras : 19 years

India : 24.4 years

Japan : 42.3 years

Korea, North : 31.4 years

Korea, South : 33.7 years

Mexico : 24.6 years

http://geography.about.com/library/cia/blcindex.htm

[James Ewell Brown Stuart]

Aha! Thank you very much. That is the error I've been trying to identify.

Ah, I love the smell of sarcasm in the afternoon.

The rest of your post can be filed under things I already know.

Islam itself is the enemy, regardless of the numbers of innocuous Muslims.

So, how do you fight Islam? Do you make total war on the Muslims who are fighting with us in this war? Does your statement that Islam is the enemy mean that all Muslims by default become our enemy whether they agree with the Bin Ladins of the world or not?

[proud American in Canada]

The liberals are right about one thing: This administration is completely and utterly incompetent.

I'm thinking the same thing.

[James Ewell Brown Stuart]

If you feel I was talking down to you, then accept my apologies...for I was not.

But, you seem to think that this Administration does not understand the enemy. I disagree. They do and are waging war against them.

Well, since only a substantial fraction of one percent of the population is smarter than you...I doubt that I am intelligent enough to engage you further in conversation. But I want to thank you for taking the time out to speak to someone who is not in that small stratosphere of intellect. This is a day that I will not soon forget.

[TeenagedConservative]

That's quite a word bomb you dropped. I would love to hear all your explanations of why you believe that. Could it come from your indepth studies or do you find it easier just to parrot what you read?

Sure thing.

1. Bush invaded the easy country after Afghanistan: Iraq. Iraq was not the main source of terrorism, and while the liberals who claim that its soil is unsullied by the feet of Islamofascists are delusional, so too are the conservatives who claim that in 2003, Iraq was the biggest threat to world peace. That's completely false. Iran was and still is a much more deadly source of chaos than Iraq ever was. Palestine is a blight on the globe, and many other "countries" in the region don't deserve to exist.

2. Bush refused to declare war. If Iraq truly was a threat (and don't mistake me, it was), we should be at war right now.

3. Bush intentionally misnamed the war. War on Terror makes no sense. Terror is merely the result of war. It is absurd to fight a war against a tactic of the enemy, no matter how perverse. The correct name for the war we SHOULD be fighting is the "War on Violent Islam." Not radical Islam, because the Koran itself and by extension are Muslims are radical.

4. Bush is fighting the war completely wrong. He's trying to use police tactics to defeat a global war machine. By definition, we can never have a victory in this war. We can kill terrorists, but that is not a victory because victory would be defined as the deaths of a certain number of the enemy. This has never been the historical definition. You must incapacitate the enemy in some way, or take some of his land. We can do neither while we play defense. If Bush wants to continue fighting the war like this, he must start setting up "safe zones" so heavily controlled by the military that terrorism is impossible within them. Then, the military can harbor friendly civilians, and run offensive missions against terrorist strongholds. However, that will be long and bloody. Violent Islam must be fought by attacking its foundations. MAKE DEMANDS OF THE TERRORISTS, like we did in World War II. Demand that terrorism cease, and set up punishments. Destroy holy sites. Carpet bomb cities friendly to Violent Islam. This barbarity cannot be treated as valid war tactics.

5. I could list a bunch more, but the last reason I said the adiministration is incompetent is that they acknowledge Palestine a valid political state and encourage Israel to make treaties with them. Palestine is not a nation. It is a nest of murderers. There is no public condemnation of violent Islam in Palestine because the Palestinian people are, as a whole, evil.

[toddlintown]

Rice is an idiot. Where she goes, nothing ever happens for the good.

[proud American in Canada]

Our leaders haven't learned a damned thing from 9-11 in spite of all the studies, Commissions, recriminations, and 'new ways of thinking'. Nothing.

Outstanding posts, Lurker.

[dsc]

"Ah, I love the smell of sarcasm in the afternoon."

There was no sarcasm. I have been trying for a long time to identify the specific error that motivates a class of objections to regarding Islam as the enemy of mankind. You put it right out there.

"So, how do you fight Islam?"

Firstly, were it not impossible, through education. If enough people were aware of the threat, they would use their creativity to devise effective measures.

Certainly, Islam should be proscribed throughout the West.

"Do you make total war on the Muslims who are fighting with us in this war?"

You mean like Tecumseh Sherman did in his march across Georgia during the Civil War?

The term "total war" is a prejudicial term in the first place. I would advocate sparing non-combatants and those who wish to surrender, as far as is practicable on the battlefield.

"Does your statement that Islam is the enemy mean that all Muslims by default become our enemy whether they agree with the Bin Ladins of the world or not?"

If you are asking whether I mean that their lives should be forfeit, then no, many if not most should be spared. However, they are the carriers of a deadly danger, and must be treated like the carriers of an infectious disease -- cured or quarantined.

[James Ewell Brown Stuart]

Thank you for posting to me. After I quit laughing, I have to admit that you parrot your elders well. But, I do want to encourage you to keep up with your studies and when you get to college (if you are not there already) stand up to your classmates for what you believe in. Your political beliefs as they become more refined and deepen due to study will be the saving grace of this nation. We need you!

[HitmanLV]

STEYNAHOL PING!

[dsc]

"But I want to thank you for taking the time out to speak to someone who is not in that small stratosphere of intellect."

That's quite all right. I have to, or talk to myself.

"But, you seem to think that this Administration does not understand the enemy. I disagree. They do and are waging war against them."

I do not think they understand that Islam itself is the enemy. Their public pronouncements support this concern.

[James Ewell Brown Stuart]

Let's go back.

First and foremost, I totally agree with you that Islam is the enemy. It is nothing more than a plan for world domination couched in religious terminology. Islam will only be content and satisfied when it is ruling the world.

Let's be straight on the definition of the word: total war. Yes, it comes from the Civil War, but it was also the strategy in World War II as well. That was total war. So, I do not mean it in a prejudicial sense at all. Ronald Reagan described total war when he was asked how he would fight the Vietnam War: "I would go in at breakfast, pave it over at lunch, and be home for dinner." Stonewall Jackson described at "drawing the sword and throwing away the scabbard." So, whereas Sherman did march through Georgia...that is not the sole and lone definition of total war.

[James Ewell Brown Stuart]

When I listen to the crap that comes out of the State Department, I know that they don't believe that Islam is our enemy. I have posted on this thread why I believe that is.

The President's "religion of peace" is just diplomatic speak designed to appease (and I hate appeasement) Europe and our allies in the Middle East.

But the reason I know that the President understands...is that his main advisor is Bernard Lewis. One cannot read or listen to Lewis and not come away with a true understand of Islam.

That's quite all right. I have to, or talk to myself.

Thanks again for coming off Mt. Olympus (does it get lonely or just cold up there) and talking to this mere mortal.

[TeenagedConservative]

What elders? My parents are pacifists, my college teachers are all socialists, pastor's an isolationist...etc. You make too many assumptions.

Anyway, thanks for the compliments couched within mild condescension.

[dsc]

Well, then, I guess total war -- with the maximum practical effort to spare non-combatants -- is called for.

Sherman, as you probably know, deliberately targeted non-combatants in the effort to break the spirit of the Southern army. This is similar to our firebombing of Japanese cities in WW II. I would like to know that such tactics would not be employed unless the alternative was defeat.

[dsc]

Lonely and cold. Sometimes I just feel so sorry for myself...

[dsc]

"But the reason I know that the President understands...is that his main advisor is Bernard Lewis. One cannot read or listen to Lewis and not come away with a true understand of Islam."

I hope you're right. However, presidents do not always subscribe to all the opinions of their advisors. Look at Truman and McArthur.