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Voters Did Not Endorse Amnesty: Open-Borders Advocates Distort Election Results
Human Events ^ | November 20 2006 | Mark Krikorian

Posted on 11/19/2006 4:43:19 PM PST by Reagan Man

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To: Dane
And the democrats are going to be miserly with the Fed. budget.

No party wins by saying they aren't as bad as the other guys, Dane.

Please proceed promptly to your next strawman so we can get this nonsense over with by my bedtime.

61 posted on 11/19/2006 5:54:12 PM PST by dirtboy (Objects in tagline are closer than they appear)
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To: Reagan Man; Dane
I don't preach protectionism, you ignoramus.

The accidentally ignorant are curable.

The deliberately ignorant are not.

62 posted on 11/19/2006 5:55:15 PM PST by dirtboy (Objects in tagline are closer than they appear)
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To: Dane
"And their first vote in the 110th Congress is going to be for Ms. Amnesty, nancy pelosi."

I think that will be because the Democrats now run the House.

Most people around here voted straight Republican, so get upset with those that didn't bother to vote. Swing voters didn't help us this year and Independents voted against Republicans.

63 posted on 11/19/2006 5:55:51 PM PST by TheLion
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To: dirtboy
No party wins by saying they aren't as bad as the other guys, Dane.

Huh the democrats did.

64 posted on 11/19/2006 5:55:57 PM PST by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: BW2221

Bingo!


65 posted on 11/19/2006 5:57:03 PM PST by SeaBiscuit (God Bless America and All who protect and preserve this Great Nation.)
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To: Dane
Huh the democrats did.

They didn't win. We lost. The party in power has to give a reason why they should remain in such a position. To the average voter, a party that preaches limited government while simultaneously busting the budget has very little credibility.

OK, please put up the next strawman. I wanna be in bed by 10 pm eastern. That should give you time to put up five or six more before I hit the hay.

66 posted on 11/19/2006 5:58:24 PM PST by dirtboy (Objects in tagline are closer than they appear)
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To: dirtboy

None of that caused this as much as those demos. They fired up the Pro-illegals and undermined the GOP support.

No other reason a party defending the nation and growing the economy would have been rejected by rational people. The Hysteria here was incredible as you well know since you were fanning the flames with both hands.


67 posted on 11/19/2006 6:00:24 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: Reagan Man
FACT. In the next two years GWBush will sign into law the largest amnesty program in history, and 15 million illegals will become US citizens. Dwarfing the 2.7 million that Reagan granted amnesty to

And the legislation will be proposed and pushed by nancy pelosi.

You all could have gotten on board with the Kyl/Cornyn, but you decided bashing hispanics was a better route, and you paid the price, a nancy pelosi house.

I have a clear conscience in that I did not aid in pelosi's ascendency, unlike others on FR who gave her a proxy vote by sitting out the election, or a direct vote by voting for these so-called new "conservative" democrats.

68 posted on 11/19/2006 6:00:29 PM PST by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
No other reason a party defending the nation and growing the economy would have been rejected by rational people.

Defending the nation? The GOP talked about the War on Terrorism while failing to secure our borders.

Growing the economy? The GOP grew the federal budget like it hasn't been grown before. Anyone can live large on a credit card. But sooner or later, the bill comes due.

I am aghast that the Dems are in power. But the GOP, quite frankly, pissed away their moral standing to stay in power by running up earmark after earmark while simultaneously borrowing money to wage war in Iraq. If they were truly serious about the responsibility of their power, they would have refrained from such.

69 posted on 11/19/2006 6:04:01 PM PST by dirtboy (Objects in tagline are closer than they appear)
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To: Dane
And the legislation will be proposed and pushed by nancy pelosi.

And you will get all warm and squishy about it, Dane.

70 posted on 11/19/2006 6:04:34 PM PST by dirtboy (Objects in tagline are closer than they appear)
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To: Dane
"but you decided bashing hispanics was a better route"

Ok, Dane, stop right there. That is not true and you know it. BUT, it's what the Dems made the Hispanics think. No one here is anti-Hispanic. We are anti-illegal immigrant. I guess the Dem ploy worked with you too?

71 posted on 11/19/2006 6:08:16 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: Dane
Still haven't answered my question.

What's to hide?

By the way, what makes Nancy Pelosi's stand of illegal immigration any different fromk that of the liberal Democrats that voted her to that post?

I never heard it mentioned by her or the MSM in the run-up>

I can see the headlines now "NANCY PELOSI TO BECOME SPEAKER BECAUSE SHE FAVORS AMNESTY FOR ILLEGALS".

Most of us grownups knew that the outcome of the speaker of the house vote was a forgone conclusion. Her views on amnesty were not much different than those of just about every other Democrat congressman that gave her that vote.

From this, you conclude that it was her stand on amnesty for illegals that put her in.

72 posted on 11/19/2006 6:08:36 PM PST by capt. norm (Liberalism = cowardice disguised as tolerance.)
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To: dirtboy
And you will get all warm and squishy about it, Dane.

Uh no I won't. I was for Kyl/Cornyn, but it was your ilk who trashed them relelentlessly, but you got your just desserts with nancy pelosi.

73 posted on 11/19/2006 6:08:59 PM PST by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: muawiyah
they did not VOTE Period. The amnesty bill and Bush comment on "doing the work crap " ticked off the blue collar repub in Conn, western NY, Penn, Ohio, ID, KY, .The repub in the senate and congress were warned about the split by the RNC pollster but they decide to take the cash from the illegal K street crowd ( agri, real estate, ) and let the bill just not be voted on. It ticked off 10 % of the rnc base which stayed home !
74 posted on 11/19/2006 6:09:04 PM PST by BurtSB (the price of freedom is eternal vigilance)
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To: Reagan Man
Those who are rabid for fences, police and military on the border were going to vote Republican no matter what. But the squishy center that contains the swing voters didn't like it.

J.D. Heyworth here in AZ5 didn't talk about anything but border fences for the last year. He lost.

The bottom line, the congress passed a border fence, but did *not* pass "amnesty", and the Repubs lost. Either the swing voters were mad because they think a fence is a simpleton answer to a complex question, or they wanted a more comprehensive approach and didn't get it. Either way, the enforcement only option is a loser.

75 posted on 11/19/2006 6:10:08 PM PST by narby
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To: Dane
Nice. Taking a cheap pot shot at Reagan because you're getting your butt handed to you, once again on the immigration issue. Reagan stood with one of his dearest political friends. Fact remains, Reagan was a supporter of an Americans RKBA. Reagan also was a defender of the 2nd amendment. Read the following from, Guns and Ammo magazine.

In our September 1975 issue, Ronald Reagan, then two-time Governer of California, penned this column. A man of conviction, Ronaldus Magnus was true to these words before and during his eight-year presidency.

"I believe that the right of the citizen to keep and bear arms must not be infringed if liberty in America is to survive."
Ronald Reagan

76 posted on 11/19/2006 6:10:54 PM PST by Reagan Man (Conservatives don't support amnesty and conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: sageb1
Ok, Dane, stop right there. That is not true and you know it. BUT, it's what the Dems made the Hispanics think. No one here is anti-Hispanic. We are anti-illegal immigrant. I guess the Dem ploy worked with you too?

Oh pkease all one has to do is look at the disgusting remarks towards Mel Martinez on FR, a person who has the same ACU rating as Tom Tancredo, 100%.

77 posted on 11/19/2006 6:10:56 PM PST by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Dane
I was for Kyl/Cornyn,

Dane, any immigration bill will have to be signed by Bush. At the end of the day, he is responsible for what will happen.

I am opposed to a guest worker program for damn good reason, given the European problems from their such programs. If we truly need more people here, bring them in as full-status immigrants. Otherwise, stuff it.

78 posted on 11/19/2006 6:11:11 PM PST by dirtboy (Objects in tagline are closer than they appear)
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To: Dane
Thanks for providing the "comic relief" tonight.

For a while I was stupid enough to take you seriously.

That's a mistake I shall not repeat.

79 posted on 11/19/2006 6:11:27 PM PST by capt. norm (Liberalism = cowardice disguised as tolerance.)
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To: Dane
This is hilarious on two levels, Dane. First of all, you bash Tancredo nonstop, and now you invoke him as a conservative benchmark?

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

And second, the ACU ratings blithely ignore the Senate shamnesty bill. Which means they are not serious about rating conservatives.

80 posted on 11/19/2006 6:12:53 PM PST by dirtboy (Objects in tagline are closer than they appear)
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