Posted on 11/16/2006 8:23:50 PM PST by Arec Barrwin
Mostafa Tabatabainejad, 23, was tasered after he refused to provide ID and would not leave. He starts screaming
"DON"T TOUCH ME! Don't touch-zzzzzzzzzzzt!" "Here's your Patriot Act! Here's your-zzzzzzzzzzt!"
Lesson #1: When the police ask you to do something, do it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5g7zlJx9u2E
Exactly.
I don't blame FReepers who have misunderstood this. But I just don't call someone resisting arrest a 'victim'.
Just curious. What would your reaction be if that was your kid being tasered?
He managed to make quite a speech after being tasered.
If my son refused a reasonable request from a cop like that?
He got what he deserved. And I'd rib him about it his whole life. "Well, son, did you learn a lesson about how to treat police officers?"
I don't think I've ever mentioned it to you, but I really respect you. I read the Crevo threads a lot, I find you to be an intelligent, reasonable, well-spoken person.
I simply disagree with you in this case.
I just don't believe a strong young man refusing a reasonable request from a police officer is a victim. If you resist arrest, you do deserve to be handled roughly.
I've seen plenty of videos where volunteers are tasered. The effects, though painful for a short burst, last but a few seconds. Most police if carrying a taser must be tasered to know what to expect. Judging from what I’ve read and seen the kid was treated as a suspect resisting arrest, plus plenty of drama queen thrown in.
If I knew he acted like that brat, he'd deserve what he got. But, I raised my kids differently - they would have left quietly and gotten their ID.
He would laugh like a madman. :p
But really... Dominic, do you really think that tasering a perp and then telling him to get up and when he doesn't tasering him again even though he likely can not get up in the first place due to the initial tasering is good police procedure?
Everyone here agrees that the suspect was being stupid about the situation but that doesn't excuse the officers who are supposed to be trained to know better.
That's my take on it, too.
And the humor is made more obvious by imagining this kid sitting at the same place, next week. An officer sees him, asks him for his ID, and the kid refuses.
Camera zooms back, announcer says, "Here we go again!"
I'm sorry, I may be sick, but that's just funny stuff.
ZOTTTT
I simply don't believe that he couldn't get up.
He *refused* to get up.
Like a stupid willful child refusing to eat their broccoli.
He was a strong, healthy young man. If he had said, "excuse me officer, but I'm hurting, I can't stand right now. Give me a moment, and I will comply", there would have been no problem.
Instead, he just kept shouting, "Don't touch me!" Giving ORDERS to a cop!
Stupid. Willful. And funny.
Police power must be exercised reasonably. Force must be applied judiciously. And it wasn't in this case.
At least three officers were present during the incident. All they needed to do was drag the subject from the library premises and into a police car. At least three officers were present, more than enough muscle power to acomplish that task on an already handcuffed subject.
Instead theses bozos applied a strong electrical charge to the subject in order to compel him to rise, proving they don't understand the proper use of the device they were using, which is all about stopping a subject, not making him move.
Like I say, they will be sued up the ying yang, and most likely will lose their jobs to boot.
Right, their other option was to drag a healthy, strong young man bodily thru doorways and down stairs and past a crowd. If the man struggles, and falls down the stairs or knocks an officer down the stairs, or one of a dozen other bad things happens . . . that was dangerous. Tazering is *not* dangerous to most healthy individuals.
I personally disagree with you. Tazering is not that big a deal. It hurts, but does not seriously harm. It certainly isn't 'unreasonable force'.
I approve of how the cops handled it, personally.
"Get up"
"No"
Zzzzzzt.
"Now get up"
"No."
Zzzzzzt.
Repeat until he gets up.
Works for me.
The f'n cops got a thrill out of that. That was just a KID in the library...that video made me sick! I hope the filthy cops get sued and suspended. This Country needs to put an end to this type of abuse. All I could think about was my Son away at College. Sick!
And if your son refused to stand, causing the cops to drag him bodily down stairs, then while struggling your son and a cop fell down the stairs breaking a leg or something . . .
Would you still blame the cops?
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Police drag subjects frequently. They could have dragged him out of the building in less than a minute, if they knew what they were doing. As for the "strong, healthy" condition of the subject, Hulk Hogan could be dragged by three properly trained police officers if he was in handcuffs. Big dudes are handled all the time by the police.
I repeat, since it doesn't seem to be sinking in. A taser is used to STOP a subject, not to make him move. On those grounds alone, these police officers proved they were poorly trained. And on those grounds alone, the kid has a rich lawsuit going, and the officers' jobs are in jeopardy.
WHAT?..Jeez.
Have you ever tried to bodily drag a young man?
3 cops would struggle to do so. If the young man continued to fight, there is indeed a *good* chance someone is going tumbling down the stairs.
Tell me, do you see this young man as a 'victim'?
You either get this or not
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