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To: pby
The issue has never been with the day that Obama was going to speak at Saddleback...It has always been that he is an unbelieving, pro-abortion, pro-homosexual individual and that he was going to speak at all, at Saddleback.

Then I would suggest that that it is not your decision to make - since you are not the Pastor of Saddleback. Bono will also be there - as well as Bill and Melinda Gates and others who do not believe what you do about abortion or homosexuality.

My point has always been that it was unneccessary to condemn Rick Warren. That there is a difference between criticizing and condemning and that posts in this thread crossed the line from criticism to condemnation.

I am not going to go back and read all your posts. If you claim you haven't condemned Mr Warren - I will take your word for it. But it then becomes all the more questionable to me why you have engaged me with so many posts. I told you early on that I had no interest in discussing your dogma or your doctrine. But you chose not to respect that. You say that you want to be sure the Gospel as you understand it is properly represented - but that does not require you writing to me. And, if it is the case, that you do not condemn Rick Warren and since what I am taking issue with is the condemnation of Rick Warren - I see no good reason for you to have written to me about docrtrinal matters that you want to be sure are included in this thread.

467 posted on 11/21/2006 11:15:30 AM PST by Sunsong
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To: Sunsong
If you are so pleased with the speakers at Warren's AIDs conference, then go.

It is most intuitively obvious to the most casual of observers that it is not my decision in regard to who speaks at Warren's AIDs conference.

But let me see, though...who would I schedule, if I was coordinating an AIDs conference: Piper, MacArthur, my Pastor and Associate Pastors, Mohler, Packer, Dr. Jim Binney, Ravi Z., and on, and on.

Warren has accepted the mantle of "America's Pastor". He trains 400,000+ pastors and thousands of churches. As such, he should be held to a Biblical standard (Acts 17:11).

I know that, in your reality, in your Shangri-La, you wouldn't have it that way...But that is the way it is in the New Testament Church.

And...If you post on a public forum, you will get responses.

By the way, given all the good works that Warren has done...Are you any more willing to accept Christianity because of them?

473 posted on 11/21/2006 4:04:54 PM PST by pby
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