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To: pby
That question was the first question of the two questions I asked (see post 162, which I believe are the two referenced questions...If not please correct my mistake and we can begin again).

Whoops. Sorry I missed the obvious there.

So your standard for reading/studying materials is that the author provide error free information and if he/she does not, then you disregard all other included information?

No, but I can see why you're asking. For me, that one link contained a blatant mispresentation of what Warren wrote. I say that because the author quoted from page 58 and then denied Warren ever says anything about sin and the cross. When in reality, two sentences later and on the same page, Warren is talking about sin and the cross. To me that appears really blatant and I cannot see how he missed what Warren actually wrote just two sentences later.

If that is your standard, then I would have to assume that you could not get past pp. 9-10 of The Purpose Driven Life.

I'll take a look at pages 9-10 tonight when I get home.

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The documentation of Warren not keeping away from false teachers can specifically be found at

Okay, now I understand from where you're coming. I don't read Romans 16:17-18 as warning against false teachers so I missed your inference. For me, the passage is specifc to: "those who cause dissensions and pitfalls contrary to the doctrine you have learned." Now, I'm really big on context. If I had a personal motto it would be: "Context is everything."

In chapter 16 Paul seems to be going through his mind as to who is at the church in Rome, and he sends greetings to those there (1-15) In trying to follow his thought process, it seems while remembering who is at the church in Rome he remembers some who cause dissentions and pitfalls, and says to avoid them (17-18). Now, maybe Paul is referring to false teachers and maybe not, but in trying to follow this thought processes it isn't clear. We can disagree on what is meant here and I may come to agree with you, but I wanted to explain why I didn't catch your inference.

For me, better references to false teachers would be 2 Peter 2, Matthew 7:13-23 and others. I hope that makes sense.

I don't really have to time to lookup the position of Cho, Nouwen and Mannings. For now I'm going to stick with pages 9-10 of the Purpose Driven Life and get back to you on what you've said in this regard.

316 posted on 11/17/2006 8:43:00 AM PST by scripter ("If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone." Romans 12:18)
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To: scripter
Thanks, again, scripter.

I agree with you about context but I certainly see those who cause dissensions and pitfalls contrary to the doctrine that you have learned as a description of what can only be a false teacher. Who else would be causing dissensions and pitfalls contrary to biblical doctrine (certainly not true teachers)?

And it is important to avoid these dissenters and pitfall makers...So why doesn't Warren avoid them? Why does he endorse them in his writings and on his website?

Remember...along with those two questions, I gave you other documented specifics.

As for Manning and Nouwen, they are Catholic mystics.

As for Cho and his teaching, it "is nothing short of occultism..." and "a departure from historic Christian theology..." (p. 353 Christianity in Crisis by Hank Hanegraaff). Also, Cho's teachings are "rooted in Buddhist and occultic teachings" (p. 149 Charismatic Chaos by Dr. John F. MacArthur).

Have a good one.

318 posted on 11/17/2006 9:33:34 AM PST by pby
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